artisan permissions

[Zhuge 0]

2 things kev and me brought up in irc a few minutes ago.

- Why can they kick?
- Why can they promote to rookie?

its a builder rank

[SirDoom 0]

Also undox, if my memory serves me right. Maybe not remove it, but limit it to undoarea and some 20-50 blocks.
Could replacing kick with a player marking be possible? ie: star like in frozen/banned +marking reason, only visible to adept+.

[Guest Eeyle]

I can see why they have kick, just in case they see a griefer and nobody adept+ is online.

Promoting to rookie? No imo. Adepts+ can handle that, plus I've seen maybe one artisan actually promote somebody.

I'm in favor in giving artisans undoarea, if its possible. I believe in the rank permissions undoplayer and undoarea are in the same group. ie you can give them either both or none.

[Pedobear 0]

I'm okay with letting them have kick, but I want them to warn first.
IMO: Don't give them promotion abilities, no reason for that.
Don't give them undox and undoarea either, the next adept on can do that.

[masteronion 0]

Okay, remove promote/demote. What about kick/freeze?
UndoArea and UndoPlayer are part of the same permission and artisans have access to these commands already. They can undo both novice and rookie grief.

[Ericrb 0]

Kick : Yes, but only on Novices.
Freeze : Yes, but only on Novices.
Undoplayer : Yes. They have cuboid, undoplayer is the same. If they want to undo something and they don't have the command, they will use cuboid and it might be even worse.
Undoarea : ^
Promote : No/Useless
Demote : No/Useless

Artisan should have freeze because we are giving the command "kick" to kick griefers. They can always come back to grief again and it would only be an annoyance for the artisan.

[masteronion 0]

Everybody else fine with these changes?

[Guest Snowy]

Yeppp

[Pedobear 0]

The problem I have wth the undox and undoarea.....They don't have a limit....If this is to be kept, it should be novice MAX IMO

[Ericrb 0]

kevinsweijen wrote:

The problem I have wth the undox and undoarea.....They don't have a limit....If this is to be kept, it should be novice MAX IMO

If they have a limit, they are going to use undoarea followed by some nasty cuboid commands. That's how I see it and this is what I would do if I'm limited.

[11014GRF 0]

when i look at builds that have been griefed then repaired i see one of two things.

A. the building was fully repaired by an adept using undo area
or
B. The building was butchered by an adept trying to repair it by hand

I have yet to actually see an artisan use this command. But the point is if they are gonna have any moderation power at all they should have an unlimited undo area command to go with it.

[Pedobear 0]

I don't really know why.....adepts can fix it when they get on anyway.......Artisan was meant to be a builder rank/old players, but not trusted with MODERATION powers.........the point of the rank is gone in my eyes...

[Guest Snowy]

I think it's some artisans we trust to have that power but others we don't and we can't choose certain people to have a command so...

[Frogger409 0]

I agree with kevin. Artisan is builder rank, not moderator rank. If we want more people to moderate, they should be adept.

Artisan is builder rank, not moderator rank.

[Ericrb 0]

UndoArea is useful for builders too. This is going in an infinite loop. UndoArea adds or removes blocks where is the moderation in that. You guys thinks that command is only useful for griefed stuffs this is why you guys say its moderation.

[Frogger409 0]

Ericrb wrote:

UndoArea is useful for builders too. This is going in an infinite loop. UndoArea adds or removes blocks where is the moderation in that. You guys thinks that command is only useful for griefed stuffs this is why you guys say its moderation.

Oh okay, I see now. That clarifies it, for me that is. Thanks.
With that said, I think artisan is fine now.

[Moufisto 0]

Sounds good.

*shrug* sorry i was a little late on this.