2livisChrist

Dear bottlecap (K),
Thank you for letting me know how my response to your dream fit. It is always good to know either way, but better when it helps someone with answers.
Thank you for explaining about trying to serve these people once more, and how it failed, again.
Father God showed me that some people just have to be left to him. No matter what we do or how hard we pray for them they just don't get it. These types pull the good Christian backwards. When I keep hitting a wall with someone like that God always reminds me to just put them into his hands and let go and no looking back.
God has his hand at your back and is leading you, listen to him. When I was trying to go through your dream and I saw the part of the pastor, then a open door to the events with people outside and your effort to climb the hardest ladder to maturity...well I saw or felt a drowning feeling ...the pastor looking lost (he cared but could do nothing). He was and is, not the cause of the demise of these people. Both of you were doing what was right. It was the people themselves and their lack of desire to walk with the Lord.
God says, don't ever linger in Egypt. You both have battles to be won and people to reach for God.
God bless you both for living a life to reach others with the good news of salvation.
Always remember that God tells you the turth. He is not a god of confusion. If confused, always go back to the point of where confussion began.
Thank you, Pat

kbg wrote:

I have a tendency to dream things and they come true. Recently i lost a child and had a miscarriage following that. It has been difficult to deal with. People around me friends & church members have gotten pregnant and that has been difficult to handle also. Recently i dreamed that i was on my way to church and the bishop of my church was in the foyer and he stopped me and told me that a member was pregnant. Of course i was crushed. Later in the dream i saw the person and she was so excited & spoke about how she was cutting back @ work and @ church to prepare and rest up for the baby. In reality this lady has no children but i believe she has been wanting one but medically has been told its not possible. FYI about me I have stopped going to church for a while b/c it hurts to see 2 of my church members that are already pregnant. what does this dream mean? is it related to my fear of someone else getting pregnant or does it mean that i will be pregnant soon. I desire to be pregnant so badly and really thought i would be by this point. Please respond with a well thought out response it will be muchly appreciated. Thanks.

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Hi "kbg", first, I am sorry to learn that you have most a child and a baby. I lost a baby at five months but have a grown daughter and son. Praise the Lord. But there were years when I was thinking I would be the only women not to have my own baby.
Sometimes our minds work over time when we are in this position of wanting something so badly and we can not make it happen on our own. It is stressful, hurtful, the jealousy sets in and envy...yes, even anger and questioning God with 'why's' and having out own pity parties.
I believe after re-reading your dream several times, that it could be God giving you insight to the other lady's blessing so that you won't be shocked and blown away.
I don't mean to lecture you, but you must not be jealous and envious of others blessings from Father God. God is watching to see how you are walking out your Christian walk, your life and emotions and treating others. You must find it in your heart to not blame any one or God and to pray and praise God in full belief and faith that you will have another baby....remember it is in God's timing and not ours.
When you pray for a baby truely see yourself as beging with child and having a normal and health baby...remember that 'seeing' is believing. Putting your faith into action. Keeping your faith in Father God to provide you with a child of your own.
Praying for Father God to bless you in this way very soon.

Hello, I am requesting prayer for guidance in a decision to find a job (to actually get one ), since I was laid off last spring with five other school district people. I am sixty-two and worked as a special ed. para.
I need prayer to know this is the right direction. I have a degenerative back condition (permanent riders from insurance on health issues) and need to know if I should be seeking government assistance so I can receive medical assistance. Also have fibromyalgia and arthritis in back, hands and feet and right knee.
Thank you, Pat

Dave-solutions and everyone here, I come along side of you with intercessory prayer, asking our heavely Father, Jehovah Rapha, the Lord God our healer, that if it be His will, he already has Mia heald through Jesus at the foot of the cross of Calvary. We speak to dry bones and tell them they are not dried up but mosit and healed. For them to come together as they were knitted together while she was still in the womb of her mother. My Father God's hand be at Mia'a back and may he keep her under the shelter of his wings. We believe in and stand firm in a complete healing from head to toe for her. I pray this in Christ's Jesus name. Amen
Pat

Dear bottlecap,
I felt drawn to your dream and took it to the Holy Spirit and the guidance of a small book on Christian dreams...this is how I feel the Holy Spirit put it together for me to share with you but you continue to pray about it.
1.First, oak trees are seen as strong,maturing and providing shelter.
2.Baby: New- beginnings, new idea, new work (church); dependant, helpless, innocent;
sin;
a. As newborn babes, desire sincere milk of the word, that you may grow there...1 Peter 2:2 (your milk was shown as drying up; stagnating in a place that is not feeding you).
b. Behold, I will make a new thing; I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the dessert. Isiah 43:19 (the dessert is likened to being in the land of Egypt and we know we don't want to linger there but to get out and be back under God's protection).
c. But every man is tempted...when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin; and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death....James 1:14-15 ( I felt like the Holy Spirit was saying there is a lot of sin in this people and church and He has plucked you from among them to mature in Him).
3.Ladders- your sister appears to be climbing ahead of you and you seeking to keep up. But acturally you are chooseing the harder spiritural route. You took the ladder harder to clime (the road least taken)and you are maturing. Ladder represents ascend and descend, enable; way of escape; struggle if hard to climb; steps upward (as in the necessary steps, for promotion). You are ascending and there is always struggle as we come closer to God...even to the point of satan trying to pull us back down....thus the man in the gray sweater (sweaters or vests on men always make them look trustworthy and fatherly),but this one was not fatherly...he was the evil one trying to pull you back from reaching your visions and dreams in the Lord.
a. Ladder with rope or loops: you said it made you think of a ladder from a ship...the "church" is like a ship and in this case the ship/church represents spiritual warefare but there is rescue...
a. your feet tangled in the ladder: feet represent the Heart and our Walk; when kicking they represent rebellion: (Heb. 12:13-15) It is ok for you to fight against being pulled away from God...you should be fighting your way out from under the oppression of this church and people.
4. back to the pregnacy and seeing yourself as old and drying up (like in a movie or picture)...this is the drying up of your desire to keep moving up (they have pulled the life right out of you!), to keep maturing and growing in the Lord...But you refuse that view and move on seeking more answers(remember we grow as strong Oaks and eyes looking upward to God)...the next window at the theatre...I believe this smiling woman who was doing her nails is a worldly view of the people in that church...looking at themselves and their own beauty as opposed to looking up and growing more Christ like every day.* Your impression of old and/or antique, represents memories of the past....see last statement after reading rest of comments, please.
5. you are a protective mother. You put your child behind your back to shield your child from the evil around you both.
6. expecting a friendly attitude from the older women but instead receiving rejection(it is because you are seen as one seeking answers and change, growth and maturity; where as they stagnate...sewing: new things being sewed and yet the fabric it was being ripped apart 'instantly' represents the truth of sinful and lost soutls reaching to pull you down with them.
Final word: I believe this church and the people are not growing spiritually but you are. You "SEE" this and are trying to move upward (climbing the sturdy Oak tree towards maturity in Christ Jesus...reaching for our heavenly Father).
If you have not already left this church then I would pray about doing so. Especially if you find you have not been growing lately but feeling pulled backwards (falling back to satan and/or pre-attituded). I feel this place is full of false prophets and false teachings and probably a renagade preacher. He sent you, and anyone else who would go, out to make your own way and he did not care if you fell or not;
than likely there is much worldlyness in these people and self centeredness...Titus 2 tells us to be in the world but not of it.
You have been blessed to see the truth and get as far away as you can. Pray for all of the people to be moved towards God themselves. But move yourself and daughter out and fine a church with a pastor on fireand ready to teach God's Word and teach it with truth and ready to take responsibility to mature those intrusted to his leadership.

I hope this will fit with what you are praying over about this dream...please let me know how you receive it.
Praying for God to bless you and every thought you have to come from him. Pat

Thank you Sandra,
It is funny how my day has worked around a close spiritural friend coming to visit and we shared a lot but I did not share this with her. But God worked through in her thoughts that she is not spending enough "quality" time with the Lord (she is single and works two jobs right now and is truly missing her quiet time with God).
I just felt like the Holy Spirit was guiding me to come and look at the email I had not checked all day. And here was your response...I sat and re-read everyone's wonderfully and spiriturally fulfilling words of help for me.
I stand convicted. You are right in that I should share with my husband everything I shared with all of you. I must trust that God will work thrugh him by my submitting to his guidance on this. He has liked the pastor there on the few occasions he has attened with my son and myself.
Thank you so much for your words of wisdom too.
Again, I appreciate everyone who has responded and I feel truly blessed with good advice.
God's joy to you, Pat

Seeker38 wrote:

I have been praying about a godly mentor. Someone I can talk to and pray with. It has always been a desire of mine to have that type of person in my life. Someone to mentor me in the different area's of ministry. What are your thoughts about that?

seeker

I think it is always nice to someone you can trust who also, stands firm on the Word of of God and
understands you. The Holy spirit will help you understand the Word of God. Be sure you try to understand what is being said in the Bible and how it speaks into your life right where you are.
My daughter is a wonderful friend and mentor to me. I am very blessed by my daughter.
Hope you find a good Christian friend, someone who is an intercessory prayer warrior and stand firm on God's holy Word.
God's joy to you

Hislightbeam, thank you for your suggestions and I love Psalm 144. It is funny how you know things and can give advice to others but when it comes to yourself then reminders from others light up. Then you have to say, "I Knew That"! I will continue to praise God...thanks for including that...he is good and wonderful and he carries my so often and I am so grateful.
As I sat in evening church and looked around at the empty seats the question of "why", why are they empty, Lord. They should be filled with the saints wanting to learn and mature in Christ Jesus and the Word of God our Father.
I had planned to ask the pastor I work the most with covering Comfort Circles, for an appointment to visit with him with my concerns. But he was not there this evening. I will have to call the church tomorrow and set up an appointment.
I just feel like such a complainer. I don't want to be asked to help with anything I had previously signed up to do but was never called on to help. Now that I have decided to leave I would not want to be offered something if they thought they needed to give me something to keep me happy or from leaving and saying anything against them. I know better than to say anything about all of these things in a public way. I would rather let bygones be bygones.

GoldenEagle wrote:

I have been getting closer to a Christian man who I wa sintroduced to by family 3 years ago. Some of the ideas he has been taking on this year do worry me a bit, I'll admit... but last week the cousin who introduced us told me he thinks I shouldn't get involved with this man, although he had tried so hard to set us up in the past! I believe my cousin loves me, but his life is a real mess and part of me wonders if he wants to break up the relationship cos his friend knows things about him which my family don't... on the other hand he could be tryign to spare me heartache. I really don't know what to do... I have to admit that the amn in question does have some real issues, but who doesn't?

Hi GoldenEagle, if this man is saying things or thinking things that differ with what God and his holy Word says, then you have to question if he is a true believer in Christ Jesus. If he is not displaying the fruit of the Holy Spirit then he is not born again. You should be feeling trust in him and honesty and a stable mind. Anything less would cause me doubt and confussion also...and we know God is not a god of confussion. Confussion comes from the evil one.
Pray for Gods guidance before continuing in a permanent (and possibly out of control) relationship. Try talking with him about his ideas and why he looks at them the way he does. See if you can possibly us scriputre to prove his ideas are false.Not to make him feel bad but to help him to see and understand the truth and your concerns.
Pray for God's wisdom to be inside of you before you begin.

True Flight,
If what you just told me is true, then it really sickens me. They had me scared that I could have been apart of something I knew nothing about concerning "possible," threats on the pastors life.
I missed going to church this AM with my fibromyalgia and degenerating back causing pain. But went this evening and they had a man there talking about a system they have gotten involved with using the internet to talk to people who acccept Christ....those responding would be called "missionaries" and would help those seeking Christ to direct them to help. I guess they had a meeting at lunch today and those interested went then. Then they began to talk about this project and request people to sign up if they were interested. I signed up...let's wait and see if they respond to me.
Thank you, Pat

Thank you Virtuous, for your helpful reply. Sorry it took me a while to get back here since I was out of town helping our son look for an apartment.
I appreciate what you said and I do plan on asking the pastor I work with to visit with me. Then we will see about taking it to the head pastor.
In my talks with God about leaving I did not feel rushed to do so. But I do believe God, has once again used this church and head pastor to teeah me.
I am actually beginning to look forward to searching out a new church with the Lord's help.
Thank you to you and again to the others for letting me walk through it in open discussion, while calling upon God to be the final answer. It helped to have all the good input and advice. I have been greatly blessed by all of you for your understanding and support.
Our God is so good to us!
Pat

Thank you justblueskies for explaining you situation. When you mentioned the part about,'if your pastor is not a man you want to be with you in a moment of crisis", NOW that hit me hard. No I would not think to call him. I would go to the pastor who leads the Comfort circles before I would think to call and ask for help from the pastor himself. That is really sad but in reality it is true.
You and Jadmas have been so kind and given me the support I need to do what I have to do.
My son attends this church but does not see or know of all of the events I have shared with you. But he is moving out of town soon. He was another reason I stayed there.
I will make an appointment to visit with the pastor I work with to explain why I am leaving and that he needs to find a facilitator for the depression/anxiety group.
My heart is heavy for I will miss some friends there and one family came there because of myself and son attending there. I did share with my friend my recent attempt to give my art work to the Pastor and his wife and nothing was ever mentioned about it. She was very surprised.
Well, I do believe your note gave a final release to the way I was feeling about moving on. God has shown me a lot and enabled me to minister to a good many people there. I am blessed. I know He was just letting me work things out mentally and emotionally to take that step away from this church.
Thank you again for your help. I feel good now about leaving. May Father God bless you and everyone here with his great love, wisdom, strength and joy inside of each person. Praying this in Jesus name. Amen
Pat

Thank you Jadams, for taking your time to read my long post and give your heart felt advice.
Here is another one that just happen...I signed up to help with crafts, snacks, registration, for bible school. I did not hear any thing and assumed my help was not needed. Two days before I get an email (went to many on the pastor of children's church email) asking for help. So I emailed that I would help. He put me with him wife and the 5 year olds (this was fine with me). I asked what time to be there (started at 9:00) and was told 8:30. Well I was late by eight min. but everyone was already in classrooms or at the sign up table, game area, snack room, etc...the clinker was everyone had on the matching shirts AND name tags and had ovibously been there longer than eight min...I asked for just a name tag and was told they had no more!
I helped for about 30 min. and once the children were checked in everyone went to their next post...you got it....I had not a clue where to head to to help...I picked up my purse and I left. I did not go back all week and no one asked me anything about why I left or why I was not there the rest of the week.
God has really blessed my depression/anxiety group and I love these people very much. Through God's provisions we have seen a number of break throughts. With some returning just to lend support to the other memebers and to help pray for everyone. This is my ministry, my calling and I stay through the other weird things so I can keep facilitating this group for God.
They recently moved it to Sunday nights from Monday evenings. It is not working for any of the groups. I recently gave reasons why my people think it is a bad time to have it to the pastor who leads these groups. I asked how this change to help save on pastors being away from home another night, and save on the electric bill, and security people, etc., actually is being helping if it does not lend itself well to help those who are hurting and needing Gods help.
He said they are praying about and trying to decide what to do.
It truly is not pride that keeps me from telling my husband. It is the fact that he belongs to a church that I and my children came out of and we are all born again now. My husband has been in this church of his since birth. We pray for God to bring him out too. We don't want anything about my church(or any church that is not of his) to cause him to think he is just as well off in his church.
The part I mentioned about the tv looking like it is on...I forgot to say that even though this is a Christian school classroom within the church, the school is closed for the summer. This room is used for a Bible study on Sunday mornings but they don't use the tv...beside it was this way when we still met on Mon. evenings. It just seems weird.
Thanks again for your respons and for not thinking I am nuts!

The more I have kept thinking upon these three eagles the more questions I have of God as to their meanings.
But yesterday I felt like I was seeing the first one which appeared very sleek and strong as a representation of America that WAS.
The two smaller ones which appear going in opposite directions...represent America NOW...their about mid way of their bodies, the smaller one behind the mid size one. My impression was a possibility that it is a warning of coming events. That when the two birds are totally seen as separate birds the world will be in a disasterious state.
The samaller and fatter eagle are the Christians who will be taken up...even with all of our faults..because we believe in God and look forward to his coming to receive us home.
The other one (mid size) are those who "think" they know Jesus but do not. It is heading Westwardly.
I believe Jesus is showing me that he still holds Americans who love him in the palm of his hand and he looks kindly on all but one day their will have to be a point at which his servants are separted from the "worldly" people.
Please feel free to add your word or discussion...I looking forward to hearing fom anyone who will share their interpretation with me.
God's favor to everyone

I have only been with my church since a year ago Easter. During last summer I went to read my church news on line and above it was a web sight from Kansas City Starr blasting my pastor. I went to it and started to uphold the bad things being stated. After a while some things began to make me question a little and I started to wonder if some of things being said could be true.
Then one evening when I went in to facilitate a depression/anxiety group at church one of the pastors who leads the comfort groups, said he needed to talk with me. He was kind but said they (the head Pastor, and the security, FBI, etc.) were monitoring the web sight by KCStarr and they knew I had become involved in the discussion. I was shocked that they were watching it but he said some threats on the pastor and his family (they think) are coming from the person or persons heading this websight. KCstarr does not do it but had published an attack on the church and pastor that was being used to fuel the fire by who ever leads this particular web sight.
I was so embarrassed and upset, crying and not sure what to say or do. He said he (and the rest) believed that I had gotten pulled in by accident and that I was not a potential threat to the pastor and church....Thank the good Lord! I promised to never go back to the sight. He said they suspected that others who had left but that their names were being used by the one or two who write up everything and make it look like a whole lot of people when it is not. So he left me figuring they would use my idenity. I asked about removing my name and info but he said it was not needed.
I had two different times after my group meeting that I know that a car pulled out of the church parking lot and followed me home..I live about 20-25 min. away in a smaller town. I ditched one by acting like I was going to suddenly turn into Sonic...I drove through and watched the van turn at the next street. I went another block to the light and sure enough, there came the van and it hardly stopped at the four-way light, but dashed through and kept going( this is the highway that returns to KC). This happened one more time but with a different car. I passed some cars after getting onto the highway and noticed a car that had been following me from the light at the church exit was passing too. I pulled in with traffic and it lingered in the passing lane. I finally slowed down as the car behind me exited. The suspect car slowed down and pulled in behind another car that was quickly coming up behind me. I let that car pass me and I speed up again. The car also speed up and it was a back and forth thing all the way to the exit before mine. That car exited...BUT it went up the exit ramp, waited a moment and came down the on ramp behind a couple cars in back of me. It followed me off my exit. As the light changed instead of me staying in the center lane I slowed down and went to the outer lane. The car lagged behind in the center lane. I poked along and finally a couple of blocks into town it made a quick left turn (no signal, just turned). I could not give a license number or a clear identity of the car and decided it would not be of help to go to the police. Why I was followed I don't know. Or by whom I have no idea. I wondered if it was security from church or someone from the web sight...it was frightening but I was afraid to tell my husband since he goes to another church and he would just have forbidden me to continue with the Comfort Circles. I was upset but knew God was watching over me.
The art group had asked me to help them right at first and I did twice. But after everything happened they dropped me like a hot potato. Even the head usher jumped me about being on the web sight. I had to explain that it was a terrible misunderstanding and that I no longer was involved in it.
Well months have gone by but at different times I get the strongest impression that the ones in the know, are watching me. That I am not really trusted. Some other jobs around the church that I have offered to lend my help with have never accepted me or given me a word back. This is a church begun by a couple and now their children help preach too and run everything.
The classroom my group meets in has a device on the counter that says it is a wireless internet device and the tv usually has a slight back lite to it... like it did not turn off completely. It makes me wonder if they are listening in to my group to be sure of what I say or do. This is upsetting too because every who attends the group is asked to sign a promise to not discuss what is said in the group. I am so hurt and upset and I have never been mistrusted in a church before or in any other setting. I have no criminal back ground other than a speeding ticket from twenty years ago. I have worked as a Para Ed. for Special Ed. for seven years. And was a stay at home mom before starting to work.
Recently the church was doing baptisms and they said a rededication could be done. So I asked to rededicate my life to Christ. The head Pastor did my baptism (maybe it was just me, but he seem nervous and asked me twice how to pronounce my last name). I had thought it was going to be the associate pastor whom I work with in Comfort Circles, to baptise me. Anyway the following Sunday evening after church I took Pastor and his wife one of my pen and ink drawings of a crosses (actually I gave one to each of them) and pastor hardly said thank you and I have not heard another word from him or his wife about the drawings. I spend hours doing these and was hurt that they meant so little to them.
I sometimes feel like I should leave if they don't trust me, like me, or want me there. It is a huge mega church.On the other hand I know that I know that I know that God took me there and told me to join that church over a year ago back. But God has shown me so many things in church's he has placed me in that I would never have learned or seen if he had kept me in just one.
They have great pastors and great teachings...up to date current event type along with regular Bible study. But is it all worth it to be made to feel less than accepted and trusted. Please help me. I will be happy to answer any questions. I know this all sounds very strange and I don't speak of these things except to my daughter. Thank you, Pat, in KS
2livisChrist

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A word of wisdom from Oswald Chambers: A servant of God must stand so much alone that he never knows he is alone.
Have a blessed day with the Lord

What and awesome dream to have to help you understand the power and strength needed to
fight spiritural warfare. Your explination of what putting on the armor of God really means was great...I was happy to see you know and explain it correctly for anyone new who might need it explained...as I did.
Spiritual warfare as a new Christian in 2002 was something else. My daughter also went through a very rought time with satanic attack.
Thank you for a great teaching.

Dove-Solutions wrote:

Welcome to the group! It is so good to have you with us. I pray you are blessed here as I have been. I like Heleadsme love this place also.

Love in Jesus,

Connie

Thank you for the welcome. I am excited to tell my daughter (she lives in D.C.) about this place.
May you be blessed by the Father for all that you do here and time given up elsewhere.
Pat

[quote="Heleadsme
I am from Nebraska!
I have been to Kansas City, KS a couple times.
Have you ever been to IHOP there?
God bless you![/quote]

Good Morning and thank you. Yes, IHOP (International House of Prayer) is in K.C., MO., but I have not been there.
Nor have I made it to Nebraska either. My husband and I are both from MO. Have you been to the Plaza or the museum or dinner theaters, or the zoo or do you follow the Royals or the Chiefs? I don't follow the Chiefs...I am a Dallas fan!
Gods joy to you!

I would like some help. Since God gifted me as an artist he has used his sky as his canvas and has shown me things, as if he were painting with the clouds...I call them 'day visions'.
On Wednesday morning about 6:30 I opened the back door which faces North, in the sky was a "huge" eagle in flight...coming from the West and flying South East. As my husband brought the other dog to let outside I asked him what he saw in the clouds. He did not hesitate a minute before replying, an eagle. It was huge and just awesome and I watched until it started to break up. My feelings at this point was good and I simply thanked God for his handiwork.
Then Fri. about 8:00 p.m. we left a store to head back from K.C., I was fooling with my cell phone trying to call our son and I looked out the front window and there in the sky were two eagles. They were flying in separate directions but their tails covered each other. The one on the left was flying east and it was a little smaller then the one on the right. The one on the right was of course flying west and was a mid size...neither one were as huge as the one on Wedn. morning, but they were large enough. I was so startled to see more eagles and asked God "why"? Why, eagles, numbering 3, and two flying east and one west. They were high in the sky and these two looked a little more fat where as the one on Wedn. was very streamline and strong looking. These were very close up clouds as the weather was a little cloudy and partially sunny and very humid.
I have not had any clear direction from God for seeing these three eagles. I understand that we mature in faith as eagles and that God keeps us under the protection of his wing, etc. I asked him if he was trying tell me that something is going to happen but they me and my family (and/or) believers will be safe under his protection. I did not feel that this could not be the answer but actually felt comfortable with it. If anyone can help me I would appreciate it.
The one thing I have been hearing for the last year from God is to stay center of the road. Not too far to the left and not too far to the right. Just staying God centered, God focused. He lead me from a Bible church to a Southern Baptist church ( it accepts ALL of scripture) also...music is not as inspiring but He said that I was not to judge the church by the music. And the pastor is very good and on top of current news and teachings.
I will be happy to try to answer any other questions anyone has. Thank you for your help.

Hello, I am from south of Kansas City, KS. In 2002, Feb. 5, I became a born again Christian...rather late in life...I am 62, a wife, mother and grandmother to three grand kids. I am very excited to have found you all and to meet everyone. God gave me a gift of art and I also make jewelry. I have two grown kids. A daughter (the mother of the 3 grand kids) and a grown son, not married.
Have a bless day with the Lord Sunday.