Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 For anyone out there who draws, who writes their own original fiction, who creates their own original characters, or just to anyone who can read and understand this, please post your thoughts.If no one has read my ridiculously long posts before for other things, I would so very APPRECIATE it if people could read EVERYTHING here before commenting, because this is such a touchy subject for me, so if you overlook something I might react badly on accident. I would like to call myself a growing artist. Art is a big hobby of mine. I don’t plan to career in it, but I will always do it.I also really enjoy creating my own fictional characters and stories. I have a bunch. None really written out, and none I’d like to show for so many personal reasons that I wish to talk about.So for the artists out there or people who like creating their things, how does it feel to get your work compared too? Flattered or insulted? I personally feel insulted. It’s such a terrible feeling to get my story and character designs compared to some mainstream bulls**t just because the hair looks the same. I mean I want my art and designs to be original, not compared to Naruto or Avatar. I also hate it when someone can’t seem to say anything properly and they must be so idiotically blunt and ignorant like saying my character “LOL HE LOOKS LIKE A GIRL” or “SHE LOOKS LIKE A GUY” or saying they look like some wussy character or using somewhat rude terms like ‘jailbait’ and what not. I won’t mention names since these people who said this are my school friends or friends I met online. But It saddens me. It angers me. It drives me crazy. I don’t tell them right away since some people really are just careless or don’t realize how painful it is to hear that and don’t think what they said was harmful, but let me just warn you guys… It really is harmful.Which comes to the point that I know, mainstream probably brainwashed so many people and because there’s so much out there, it’s so hard to not compare, and even harder to make your own ‘original’ thing, but for the sake of support and for the sake of trying to be helpful, don’t just out of the blue say “Lol he looks like batman!” or something ridiculous okay? Especially if there’s only like ONE thing in common. I mean it’s like this, yes it’s hard to be original, but at the same time it’s very easy to be different. To be original is to use the generic ideas as a base and then to change and combine things to make something fresh.It’s just hard for me to even talk about anything I do to the public because of these harsh remarks I get. I’m glad I have close friends to speak to of it, but when I realize this is how the public is going to be, I don’t even want to try anymore. My one friend from school thought of my characters was some character from Naruto (which is a mainstream Anime for those who don’t know), which INFURIATED me. Because they had nothing in common!! He just said that because the hair looked ‘somewhat’ similar, but let me be frank, I wanted to punch him. I mean seriously THE HAIR? Everyone in real life has similar hair styles, HOW CAN HE SAY THAT… it’s like such an excuse.Why can’t people understand those same famous people started from scratch just like me? But just because they are popular now, they think all the people who aren’t published looks like all the popular things? I mean that makes no sense??? I mean a lot of those same popular characters look like other popular characters, but no one is saying anything about it. Hypocrites? Hm. I mean it doesn’t help that I BET not many people like the way my charas look especially if you aren’t into hip hop, punk, or muscles, but I just want respect and not bias opinions. Lol. it made me want to stop drawing many times, and i've thrown away many art or ruined many of my pictures because of such 'careless' comments. Just see it like this. There’s over a 100 types of strawberry cakes, but they are still different in their own way right? From filling, to designs, to the difference in taste. Creating fictional stories and characters is the same way. Look at the differences, not the similarities. If there’s like 80% more differences then similarities, don’t freaking compare! And yes some people or charas may look weird, some women look manly, some men look womanly, some people look younger then they are, or older, and some may seem ugly to you but that's the beauty of life. not everyone can be pretty boys or pretty cute girls.And I’m sorry this went to about 2 pages worth of writing. But I felt like people here is more understanding and I just wanted to get this out of my chest. This has been occurring more frequently, and while I do have friends who say the most precious comments, sometimes just one bad apple can kill the rest. So advice to people: if you’re gonna comment on someone else’s original charas and stories, do not say rude or blunt things like “he looks like a drunk guy LOL” and do NOT compare. I repeat comparison is bad. If you’re gonna critic it, then be helpful about it, don’t just point out faults. That just lowers self esteem and creates more negativity. Now I didn’t know where to put this since I’m not really asking for advice, just want people’s thoughts and opinions. lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ursula1 0 Posted June 17, 2010 You know here we appreciate your drawings a lot, hun. You have a very special style that I had never seen before (and yes, I have seen anime and I would never compare you to anything I've seen before, because your style has nothing to do with that).Don't stop drawing just for some unkind comments, draw for yourself. Make the characters you like and don't pay attention to those who cannot appreciate them I'm not an expert, but I love the things you draw, they're beautiful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 Thank you so much ursula. that means soo much to me in what you said.i really do appreciate everyone who enjoys my art (though i have yet to post my own creations XD) it's just yeah... ugh i hate it when people do say really negative, and unhelpful comments. esp from people i knew back then.. i mean i even tell them, albeit i do sound angry, but they don't seem to understand much, they just don't really say anything because i'm mad, rather then because they understood what i was telling them.it's just great to know happy people like you guys exist. thank you for liking my style and saying it looks different. that makes me blush Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tiddly Winks 0 Posted June 17, 2010 I am a writer and teddy bear maker and I do totally see what you are saying.In some ways, in some areas I think comparisons are okay, but in the ways that you describe, they are silly blanket statements that actually do more harm than good. I think your artwork is just beautiful, and I am so honored that you drew a picture of Tiddly Winks. It simply means the world to me as I can't get over how beautiful she looks. I would never say that she looks like 'so and so' from 'such and such', because I think she just looks unique. I also can't compare it because I've never seen anything quite like it before, and I have relatives who paint, and my mother in law draws animated stuff as well. Your artwork is unique, and it saddens me to read that you have thrown out or destroyed some of it because of what people have said. That is heartbreaking to me because I can see by the detail how much work goes into it. With that said, I am an active fan fiction writer, and I have written tons of original characters into these fan related writings. I have also written several original stories as well as a novel. The original works I have not found the courage to post anywhere for the simple reason that they are not yet edited, but recently I tried to submit a children's story to publishers and they were, bluntly put, so hardened by their business that their comments were cruel. (One was actually a religious publisher that puts out religious books...I have decided to boycott them because of the way I was treated.) I have found myself walking away from mainstream writing because of their overall 'rude' demeanor. At the same instant, with amateur writing, while I have had a lot of people offer some very good comments on the stories, the ones that bug me the most are the generic 'good story, keep up the good work'. Those feedbacks are a dime a dozen. I get so much of that (complete with text message lingo (yuck)), it's basically something that I believe they merely cut and paste to get people to click on their names and visit their profiles. Basically, they either use them to get feedback on their own stories, or they are too lazy to post something that could be construed as helpful.I have had people try to compare my original characters with canon characters and I have not minded that as much as people saying the female characters are always going to be based on me, the writer. I have tried to separate myself from the characters and not use my characteristics in a character. I simply don't want to get entrapped into the idea that my characters are me and vice versa. Some writers may not have problems with that, but I most certainly do...I hate it. I guess with visual artwork it's a bit different, but seeing as you write too, maybe you can understand what I'm saying.With that said, I have to add that I am a professional lyricist and my lyric style has been compared to others' and while it bothers me to some extent, I can see where people are so organized that they have to try and fit my style into a certain musical genre. It used to be that I would write poetry (which later got turned into songs) and then was put into a genre by those who listened. While some might say my music is country (which I don't really like), I can see the characteristics of country in several of my songs, because of the music composer does country / bluegrass music himself. I think much of my work is folkish or universal, but sadly Universal music is not really a mainstream style, so when I say 'my songs are 'unversal' I get a lot of 'huh?' looks or questions asking 'what's that?'.What I'm saying is that it is sometimes very difficult to get away from mainstream because it is so in your face. Even with bear making and designing, people are trying to find their own styles to bring out. It soon becomes very hard for people to find their own unique style, and when they do, to have someone say 'that looks like a bear from so and so' soon becomes the kiss of death. It is for this reason, that I have decided to stay away from bear designing. With so many bear makers in Germany, one has to be monumentally creative to have a style that is not compared to that of other people, or worse still, to be overtly accused of copying someone else's design. I have opted to not go that route, and my teddy bear making remains a hobby, but I am protective of my bears and don't like it when the older bear makers start picking my creations apart. Their words ultimately are interpreted as snobbish remarks. But, I guess that's why I stay clear of bear making forums.So, in closing, on various levels, I can completely understand what you're saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agne 0 Posted June 17, 2010 Riuna wrote:it made me want to stop drawing many times, and i've thrown away many art or ruined many of my pictures because of such 'careless' comments. I can't believe it!!! People who says "She looks like a guy" or "He looks drunk" are not your friends!!! I mean, I saw your profile pictures in fb, I saw how you were improving with the painting... Even the words: "I made it by my self in Photoshop" are amazing! You have a huge talent and I can't understannd people saying such a critic when you're trying to do your best: to draw beautiful, unique and so on... That makes me mad, I'm not talking how you should feel! Your paintings are amazing! Ofcourse there always is a way to be more perfect And I know one day your pic's will be shown in a 'virtual gallery' and you'll be famous I have just one more thing to say: Keep going! Don't let jealous people stop you and broke your dream! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 I enjoyed reading your thoughts Tiddly. i can really relate to that. i do not know how to sew (sow? i never knew how to spell that word correctly LMAO!!) and i saw your bears which i think are amazing. i have a lot of plushies which i don't really sleep with but it's fun collecting some randomly . I do really love handmade ones since they come out so well, and i can see the quality in them so it's super super cool you can do that! and lyricist too that's crazy awesome. i do agree comparisons can be helpful in some regards if there REALLY is a similarity, but i try SO hard to avoid doing similarities so when i get one it really makes me angry to hear it, especially when i see the character or whatever they compared to, and i see nothing a like. i usually do know if my character looks really similar or not to something else if i see it, and in most cases all these really rude comments i sadly gotten from friends, has totally discouraged me from showing my personal things to the public. i hope for that to change soon, but it's a bit 'floozy' as of now.i enjoy a lot of mainstream things, but yeah, it's such a huge bummer when almost everyone i know, only knows of the mainstream. it makes it impossible to show them my art because they will more then likely do the evil comparisons for no reason other then the fact that's all they can say... i showed my art to them in an attempt to see if they wouldn't be rude..(usually it's in real life friends that do this) but sadly, they compared it, and i was NOT pleased. Doesn't help i dislike Naruto so when he compared my character to that.. ... so i can see how you feel seeing your lyrics compared to country >.i think it's harder for people who don't draw, don't have their own stories/characters, or something where they create things, for them to understand how we feel, which is why they end up just falling for the mainstream and then just blindly comparing everything to the next popular something. i mean not everyone is like that and i met a few who don't draw or write or anything, but still are respectful about it, which i'm trying to look for more people like that, just they seem so rare... it's why i only show close friends or post on an art site (even though people there can be just as rude). It's mainly my in real life friends that do say this stuff since many of them don't draw or anything, so eh, they probably don't really understand why i get so mad when they compare something or say something blunt. They think they are being nice or helpful, but they aren't. About the generic comments, that is so true. i am not a big fan of one word statements or the generic three world "thats really cool!" stuff either, especially when you tried to show a deeper meaning to whatever artistic medium you were using, be it art, words or music. only really a few of my friends give me the comments i seek, i just wish there was more, then again not many knows of my characters so maybe that's why they don't have much to say, but they could easily just talk about the image... Although at this point on the art site i go to, i'm desperate for any type of comment haha since it's such a huge site, so people get too lazy to comment anything.... Or they probably just don't like how i draw or what i draw. Even though i draw cute things, i also draw violent things or 'dark' things, and while a lot of people do like dark images there, they don't seem to like my character's looks. alot of the fangirls there like their pretty doll-faced scrawny boys, and i don't draw that.. i know not many people enjoy muscles, veins or just stuff like that haha which i do. but then again the small audience that once enjoyed my stuff, are probably not the people i need now... i need a new audience since they most likely liked the art i did years ago which i admit, is VERY different today.BUT..... so happy happy happy you like the tiddly fanart! [broken record LMAO!] but really really so happy you like it still enjoy it. i admit the wings gave me so much trouble LMAO! i'm not used to drawing butterfly wings at all (because they aren't arm-like) and i wasn't sure for the pose so i hoped a curtsy was okay. EDIT: for the writing part, i know how hard it is to write fanfiction which is why i sorta avoid it. i think the biggest problem for fanfiction and creating fan-charas is the ever so infamous Mary-Sues. I know when some writers are being ignorant and just throw in sues all over the place which i get mad at, but there are the rare jewels that can write some awesome fanfiction that includes fan-charas. but MAry-Sue-ness is a problem all on it's own both for original work and fan-work. i try to avoid making Sues as much as i can, so i try to do my research as well.I think in general all our charas will have a part of us, but i do agree that you want to make the character be special on their own, and not just personas/self-inserts. i actually dislike self-inserts a lot. i mean it'll be hard to make a character that's totally devoid of you, but you still want the character to stand on their own! (which is also why i hate comparisons and just rude stupid comments!!) 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Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 @ Agne:That made me smile!! Thank you Agne... I don't care for critic... i always think my art could be better, and that i just need to keep practicing. I just really hate the unhelpful statements that are negative. they think it's critic, but it isn't helpful just pointing and saying "the nose looks ugly." or "she has a manly face" is far from helpful. i mean, geesh people, try to think before you speak. or in this case, write.i know my style won't be for everyone and i definitely know my own personal things will be VERY much an acquired taste... i just wish for people to be more respectful and just more thoughtful in what they say. i'm not saying everyone should like my stuff, but at least don't be shallow about it and just be more careful in the words to say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agne 0 Posted June 17, 2010 Riuna wrote:@ Agne:That made me smile!! Thank you Agne... I don't care for critic... i always think my art could be better, and that i just need to keep practicing. I just really hate the unhelpful statements that are negative. they think it's critic, but it isn't helpful just pointing and saying "the nose looks ugly." or "she has a manly face" is far from helpful. i mean, geesh people, try to think before you speak. or in this case, write.i know my style won't be for everyone and i definitely know my own personal things will be VERY much an acquired taste... i just wish for people to be more respectful and just more thoughtful in what they say. i'm not saying everyone should like my stuff, but at least don't be shallow about it and just be more careful in the words to say.Totally agree Edit: But you know that we will be always with you! HUGS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 I'm just so glad how awesome you guys are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ames 0 Posted June 17, 2010 When i look at this drawing... what i see is friendship. A great deal of time and patience and a fantastic representation of something that means a lot to me. To me Holly... you are one in a million. Your artwork touches me in way other art doesn't. I love your style, find it HIGHLY individual and am offended for you that others just choose to "compare" you to mainstream rubbish that is done on a computer. You take time over your art. You put a lot into it and this shows through the drawings... Tiddly's new one is just delicious!It hurts me to think that people hurt you with their throw away comments. Most probably from people who don't even get what art is and what it means to you.You are an individual. I haven't seen stuff like you do. You have your OWN style and you should point this out to idiots who make comments like you've mentioned above.For every one negative comment you WILL get 10 positive. Your work inspires me. x Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 Holly, you are one amazingly talented girl, a girl who has a very bright future, a girl that will one day be famous, a girl who thinks original, and creates original. And you were right, most of the famous artists have started from nothing.The reason why they are like that, is jealousy. They are jealous of your talent, which they want to have and possess. I saw some of your characters on facebook, they are completely original and awesome. But why do people insult you and say that it's not original? Jealousy... Simple as that. Jealousy often consists of a combination of emotions such as anger, sadness, and disgust. It's an emotion and it typically refers to the negative thoughts and feelings for someone. If a person has something in it;s property and other person doesn't but wants it, jealousy starts. And that's the whole reason why they keep insulting your amazing artwork and trying to make you feel down and give up on art. NEVER GIVE UP! You will be an amazing artist, a legend who created it's own original characters, a genius who will laugh to those who were jealous to her, a girl who will have something others don't.Holly, my best thoughts and wishes goes to you. You are simply and amazingly talented and nothing can't change it. You are born with it. You have a gift you have to treasure and take care of. Nobody can't change that, not even dumb friends who just want to make you sad so they could feed with your tears. Holly, you have a really bright future, and believe it or not, you'll become famous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 Ames!! Now i'm tearing up! a lot of those uhm rudeish comments are from my school friends, which really does s**k.. and you're right, most don't really do anything arty. the one guy who said my character looked like some other character, well he just reads comics/manga a lot, so i guess his mind just filled with stuff where everything he sees he must compare... it still hurts though what he said so carelessly to this day, even though it was months ago. even the blunt comments i got 4 years ago still hurt when my friend looked over my shoulder and saw me draw... i really hate the feeling of 1 bad comment ruining my day.. i know i should appreciate all the GOOD ones, and ignore the bad, but i guess i'm just really self-conscious about that.. blah.i really appreciate you for still liking the fanart of mookie. i've done gift art for people here and there, but it made me sad how they didn't seem so.. enthusiastic? maybe some people just aren't the type to write a lot, but yeah,.. i mean i don't want to sound like an attention wh*re but i'm just desperate for comments haha! so it makes me super happy to hear you say you say you still like it... i also don't do fanart often for anything, because i lose interest... Just if it's for a friend though, i do try to draw it as best as i can. >_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ames 0 Posted June 17, 2010 I still have her on my laptop wallpaper I love her!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 Lazar lazar! my friend told me that too.. that it is jealousy..(although that same friend.. is the friend i talked about on that OTHER rant on the girl who i got mad with and we stopped talking for a few days.. she also compared my stuff before, until i got really mad at her and told her what was her problem, and she admitted in being a jealous ****, but sigh she's such an old friend of mines .. and she just has problems when it comes to being blunt and stuff. -________-) i guess that's the best explanation. it felt so wrong he had to compare my stuff to someone elses stuff ..who is like making thousands i bet for their comic... blah. but regardless i stopped showing my things to him.haha alot of those random icons on FB are actually fanart i drew from games, but i'm really glad you like them anyways. thank you for the kind words Lazar.. they mean a lot to me. i won't ever stop drawing... it's why i still draw today. drawing is my drug and i wanna keep it that way. and i love my characters too much to throw them away either. but it's just those really depressing moments that i hate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 Ames wrote:I still have her on my laptop wallpaper I love her!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 Riuna wrote:Lazar lazar! my friend told me that too.. that it is jealousy..(although that same friend.. is the friend i talked about on that OTHER rant on the girl who i got mad with and we stopped talking for a few days.. she also compared my stuff before, until i got really mad at her and told her what was her problem, and she admitted in being a jealous ****, but sigh she's such an old friend of mines .. and she just has problems when it comes to being blunt and stuff. -________-) i guess that's the best explanation. it felt so wrong he had to compare my stuff to someone elses stuff ..who is like making thousands i bet for their comic... blah. but regardless i stopped showing my things to him.haha alot of those random icons on FB are actually fanart i drew from games, but i'm really glad you like them anyways. thank you for the kind words Lazar.. they mean a lot to me. i won't ever stop drawing... it's why i still draw today. drawing is my drug and i wanna keep it that way. and i love my characters too much to throw them away either. but it's just those really depressing moments that i hate.Best wishes and hugs for you!!!!! You will be famous!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 haha! i'm actually 'trying' to be a doctor! but i definitely have personal goals in hopefully doing a comic. i don't wanna be too famous actually.., but just a small group of fans be great... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 Can I get your autograph? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 Lazar wrote:Can I get your autograph? VERY FUNNY LAZAR. what will i even sign on.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe99 0 Posted June 17, 2010 I just can't believe that somebody said bad things about your art.I checked your facebook and deviantart and just think that your art is just.... very original and amazing. Just speechless. It's true what Lazar said, Jealousy. even I'm jealous of your talent! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tweets 0 Posted June 17, 2010 sweetie, one thing is sure: you're an amazing, original, talented and you should know that you shouldn't listen to others. you and what you create are perfect in your own wayi've had my art get called blurry, unoriginal, ugly, sh***y and whatnot!so? i didn't give up!i'm a story writer too. i've had my stories on youtube, but even if one or two people didn't like them, another 600 of those viewers did!! and i didn't give up!and it's not just my art that people didn't like, my whole life, people have been telling me what's not good. if they were smart enough to comment, they would say how i can improove it..so don't give up just because some smarty-pants thinks you should do it better, or if someone thinks some thing bad about it!! you're and amazing artist, and you always will be, no matter how your character's hair is similar to sakura's or any other character's.there are milions of strawberry cakes in this world, but every is special in their on way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tweets 0 Posted June 17, 2010 Joe99 wrote: even I'm jealous of your talent!LMAO everyone is jealous of your art, riuna!!! why? becausei t's so original and you are so talented. and it makes it perfect Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 @ Joeoh poot! you found my DA link on FB? i'm truly happy for those words.. i don't draw too often but i try to draw as well as i can when i do..@_@ i think i go through so many papers tryign to recopy something if i messed it up.. i'm crazy lmao! so much i do need to work on though which i hope to get better at..i know the stuff i draw isn't to everyone's taste (i know that very well..) but yeah.. just. i. do NOT want comparisons and blunt stupid comments.. it drives me up the wall... and there's nothing to be jealous of... there's so many others that are better then me... i'm just glad i can draw a little bit.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 @ TWeet!!omg.. i... did have some really bad comments like that myself but yeah.. if it wasn't for you awesome people and my BFFs.. i wouldn't be drawing.. but then it IS my drug... i can't let it go.. i'm so sorry you got such sh*t comments from people like that. ugh. makes me want to punch them!!and exactly.. good critics will comment on how to improve it and give advice and good comments would explain why they liked it and all that. but then even those small comments are okay! (unless they just want attention...) i just so so dislike it when /friends/ say that stuff to me. they don't realize how much damage they just caused lmao. it is so good to know you didn't give up also.. you're a strong girl tweet. i'd be crying .. well no i still do cry when people say anything stupid like that to my art haha. i cried when they thought my Tav looked like Sasuke. lmao........i am so happy people here like my art... it really means a lot to me. i post on Deviantart, and it's not as great, since mainly the big guys get the attention, and the stuff i draw isn't really what most people like as well.. lol so it's been hard getting comments.. just glad my friends still do.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe99 0 Posted June 17, 2010 @Riuna:I STALK. LOLI also hate it when you put so much effort into something and the just giving stupid comments. It also often make me mad. Some of my friend also like to compare and that often make me mad. They said that I'm not good at receiving "comments".Well, I just love your art! I love seeing it over and over again. ( Oh I should listen more in English period, horrible grammar) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tiddly Winks 0 Posted June 17, 2010 Instead of quoting the entire message again, I thought I'd just pick out bits of what you said and comment. You and I seem to be on a very similar wavelength with it comes to artwort, but I can't draw to save my life and envy anyone who can.To be able to draw freehand like you do is nothing short of amazing. I look at Tiddly Winks' portrait and get all teary-eyed because she just looks beautiful. I am still so overwhelmed and happy that you took so much time out of your schedule to capture her likeness. I loved the curtsy and I love dresses of that time period. I would love (border on adore) sewing a dress like this and wearing it. I have always loved dresses of this kind and this one is captured so wonderfully.Mookie's picture is just precious. You captured her so perfectly and I know Ames is thrilled by it. I see that picture of her and can't help but smile. Just a wonderful work of art, and specifically I love that you got her little fangs in there. Cute!!!Moving on.More on the mainstream: I am not anti mainstream, as it's sort of a defining aspect of what is popular in the pop culture in today's world. What I do get put out with is all the marketing of mainstream that goes on. For example, since the World Cup thing is going on. People here got so caught up in getting 'stuff' that I grew sick of it and it hadn't even started yet. Now that it has, I can appreciate the discipline that goes into the sport. The same holds with music. Somehow people forget the work that goes into it and they only go for what is 'in' instead of what is really unique or different. This is specifically why I don't watch 'superstar' or 'idol' shows and why for so long I wouldn't watch the Eurovision Song Contest, because a lot of them are so mainstreamed that they come across as more or less as mediocre. What I would like to see is more appreciation for the obscure and different, but that seems to be nothing more than a pipe dream.This goes into another event in my life that I would like to share. About 12 years ago, I was actively involved with a fan based group for a television show. This group was run by a woman who I came to realize was a sort of 'literary snob'. This was around the time when fan fiction was published in zines and most were distributed in book form. At any rate, during my late teen years she tried to 'advise' me on my writing, and even told me that I could not write a fan fiction that was AU (Alternate Universe) because it contradicted the work I was trying to create a story around. I believed her and for more than 10 years, I did not write AU and the story I had wanted to write was backlogged until 2008 thereabouts. At any rate, this person put more emphasis on being 'professionally published' than anything else, including the feelings of the people in the group who wrote for fun. Never, in the time that I was taking part in that group, did she come out and say 'thanks for your contributions to the fandom', instead she ended up finding ways to deter me and I ended up quitting the group. Later, when I would write a story and post it electronically, I would get an email asking me why I did that when I could have entered some fan fiction contest and gain acclaim for her group. I never responded. I mean; this after being snubbed by her because I was not a 'professional writer'. I mean; her actions could have completely turned me off from writing entirely, but they did not. Instead I became even more determined to show those people that I had potential and could write a good story.Today, the group is still in existence, and since leaving that crowd, I have established myself with lyric writing. Oddly enough, about a year ago, someone from this group approached me and asked if they could put a copy of the CD one of my songs appeared on up at their 'Book Night' event. I basically said, 'I don't care what you do, but I am no longer a part of this group and will not do anything to promote it'.I realized through that experience that when people put down what I do as a way to keep themselves in the limelight, that I don't need it. What's the point of making someone else look bad in order to feel important? That's childish and stupid. It boggles my mind, but people (particulary adults) do that. I think that's essentially what they are trying to do with you. Psychology is a really fascinating thing.It's a given, your artwork is original, it's good, and you have every reason to feel proud of it.Mary Sues: You're right in your summation of them. One girl actually offended me when she posted that one of my stories was a Mary Sue, but then she turned around and said that it was 'a very well written Mary Sue'. I never responded to her. I was like, what are you trying to do, save face? I don't like Mary Sues at all, and most of them are based on the writer themselves. That's why I do not want people to say that my work is a 'Sue'. I just don't like them at all. I did write a Narnia story called 'A Different Mary Sue' and it was a parody of the Sueisms that take place in Narnia fiction. I had a fun time with that one and several of the readers enjoyed my digs at them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 I drew since I was 4 I think, it was just circle blobs with circle eyes and 10 lines sticking out of the head, but it was awesome. and then I drew animals (pokemon/digimon in particular) and then at 14-15 I started humans, which I still sorely need work on.. now as to why I said this,.. well I just.. love drawing. although I don't draw as much as I should, I am such a perfectionist and it actually annoys me that I am, since I know I won't make it 'perfect' on the first go, but I just try anyways LMAO.. so even a drawing that could take me an hour, ends up taking days or weeks just to get it done. not because I work on it all day through, but just the fact I constantly edit, change and redo parts. so yeah... i'm glad the effort shows. >.In regards to the Tiddly picture, I’m so glad you like the dress. I think the hardest part of the dress was because of the golden fluffy looking stuff since on the PS screenshots, the clothes are squashed, I had no idea how the detail should look for the waist/chest area, so I just made it up.. so it's such good news to hear you like it!!! and haha, I couldn't forget the fangs on Mookie.. it's her signature trait! (though I sometimes do end up missing certain things, so I REALLY hope I didn't this time.)---I am not anti-mainstream either, but I simply don't like much of the stuff in mainstream regardless of it being popular or not... it's why I never got into Avatar, or mainstream Anime like Bleach or Naruto. I mean I’ll watch them, but then I just don't care. Same with music as well… this is a personal rant, but I love hip-hop and good rap, but all these commercialized sh*t where all the songs sound the same, just have a repeated tune, and pointless lyrics, they made rap and hip-hop sound so bad… they ruined it’s good name, and many of my friends… Those same school friends who say those blunt words, think rap s*cks or is rubbish, but that’s cause they hear all this main-stream stuff that IS (usually) sh*t. Maybe this is why I have such anger towards mainstream, even though I wanna be open-minded about it. Either way, I love a lot of stuff that isn’t too well known, which I find awesome since I think the fans are easier to handle and I just feel special knowing something not many don’t. hehe. Since I’m not big on fanfics, I am not sure what to say for the AU part, but regarding the one person for the group you speak of, I think I can relate in general… I do not care for being able to write like a ‘pro’ I write because I can and because I wanna write my stories. And I wanna write it in my own way, whether it sounds professional or not. So I really do dislike it when people nag at my writing style. I am not saying I write awesome, and heck I probably write like a noob, but as long as I don’t sound too bad and don’t have too much grammar mistakes, I really don’t care how I write. English is my first language, but I am not pure English. And personally I love sounding a bit more… down to earth and natural as opposed to writing like some well known published person. And that lady you speak of really does sound like a snobby ****. I actually had a friend who kinda… acted like her. *sigh* long story short, we ain’t friends anymore; she wanted to get better in art so went to do finearts. Good for her I say, but now she sounds like she’s better then me because she does realism while I do anime. Well she constantly asks for critics and critics herself and draws everyday, but just the fact she ‘changed’ her style to something ‘better’, she has been acting weird. I just stopped talking to her. I mean she offended me by showing a picture someone drew that literally showed realism vs anime and the anime style was the bad guy. I was (hope you don’t mind my language) annoyed off. I mean it was my fault for getting mad at her first when she said she was gonna change styles, (I overreacted) but she didn’t have to show me that picture. Ugh. I mean she draws good so I can’t say she’s bad or w/e, but now I don’t care for her or her art. we tried collabing once, and she kept trying to critic how i draw when i didn't even want it. she was trying to help me, and i saw that, but it wasn't the type of help i needed.. nor wanted to hear from her. Funnily enough she still silently stalks my page even though I given up on her, and she randomly comments too… lol. Go figure.I hate Mary sues also, esp. blatant obvious ones… and haha “well made mary sue” oh god, that is such a fail save-face comment. Lmao. I mean I know in most cases fan-charas tend to me sue-ish (I seen too many in the anime fandoms…) but at the same time I feel like people immediately points the finger at all fancharas and accuses them of being a sue, when they aren’t. I mean I have my own fan-charas too. Not many but I still have them. I know which ones I made are sues like 3 years ago, but I want to admit, I know when I made a sue or not now. Making sues on purpose though is great. although I think it will be a bit sad yet funny when some people takes the Sue seriously and think it’s a great character.. idk if I’d be offended or amused… or both. LOLAnd SFKJLSlkfJSAG *so so happy* I don’t think I draw that great yet but it really puts a huge grin on my face and makes my cheeks red with blush knowing my style is original to you guys… it’s one of he things I am aiming for… to draw realistically (but not too much, I love the anime style regardless!), yet original enough to be recognized even if a little… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 @ Joe:Omg u stalker! i just saw the notices on you faving.. thank you so much.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe99 0 Posted June 17, 2010 Riuna wrote:@ Joe:Omg u stalker! i just saw the notices on you faving.. thank you so much.. Actually I have a DeviantArt ID just for faving things that I like or that I think will be useful I don't want to have too many bookmark about art etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 17, 2010 Joe99 wrote:Riuna wrote:@ Joe:Omg u stalker! i just saw the notices on you faving.. thank you so much.. Actually I have a DeviantArt ID just for faving things that I like or that I think will be useful I don't want to have too many bookmark about art etc. nice one!! i'm glad my art is on your fave list then. i also have a secret account where i use to tell off the mean people. haha!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites