Filtering law ?

[Davehutch-hutchs 0]

So is there somewhere you can get it from like highway code ?

Am I right in thinking you can filter as long as your not racing past think the is a percentage of your speed to theres

And you can over take where there is a solid white line as long as you dont go over the line

Not read the high way code since passing my car test 30 years ago

[Stue11 0]

I know where your coming from not sure meself its been 17years for me allthough i do know that you can filter but thats about it, as for the white line overtaking i think that would be a no no as you have to give a wide birth when overtaking, and i certainlly wouldnt want to squeeze past whithin the line

[Davehutch-hutchs 0]

@Stue11 wrote:

I know where your coming from not sure meself its been 17years for me allthough i do know that you can filter but thats about it, as for the white line overtaking i think that would be a no no as you have to give a wide birth when overtaking, and i certainlly wouldnt want to squeeze past whithin the line

There are some roads around us Stue that have single or double solid White lines , and if the car moves over you could get a small car pass with out going over the line , for people round here i mean like the A606 to Tollerton that goes off the A46

[Stue11 0]

@Davehutch wrote:

@Stue11 wrote:

I know where your coming from not sure meself its been 17years for me allthough i do know that you can filter but thats about it, as for the white line overtaking i think that would be a no no as you have to give a wide birth when overtaking, and i certainlly wouldnt want to squeeze past whithin the line

There are some roads around us Stue that have single or double solid White lines , and if the car moves over you could get a small car pass with out going over the line , for people round here i mean like the A606 to Tollerton that goes off the A46

I see what ya saying mate havent a clue

[Guest Guest]

Not allowed to cross a solid white line... but you don't have to on a bike

[E.goldstein 0]

Ok posted this before but it got lost!

Anyway from what I can remember when did my Advanced Motorcycle test with IAM.

Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. E.G you’re turning it a driveway/ entrance.

You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are traveling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less. Of course there is the old favorite you can do so when instructed by the Police. I think it’s something like rule 120 -129!

On the filtering front I think that as long as the traffic is stationary and your traveling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less your ok, but don’t hold me to that as I can not remember the rule number.



E.goldstein “they watching you”!

[E.goldstein 0]

@E.goldstein wrote:

Ok posted this before but it got lost!

Anyway from what I can remember when did my Advanced Motorcycle test with IAM.

Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. E.G you’re turning it a driveway/ entrance.

You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are traveling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less. Of course there is the old favorite you can do so when instructed by the Police. I think it’s something like rule 120 -129!

On the filtering front I think that as long as the traffic is stationary and your traveling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less your ok, but don’t hold me to that as I can not remember the rule number.



E.goldstein “they watching you”!

here you go an update:

There are some examples of tough Court decisions which either blamed or partially blamed motorcyclists for accidents. Our law is based on precedent which means the law is Judge made. To argue and decide a case you look at previous decisions and look for similar cases, precedents.

Some quite old cases involving motorcycles have been used for years by insurance companies to argue partial or complete fault on the part of a motorcyclist.

The case of Powell v Moody (1966) found the motorcyclist to be 80% to blame for an accident where a motorist collided with the filtering motorcycle. The circumstances were that a motorbike was slowly overtaking a lorry which had waved a car on to pull out in front of him on the main road. As the car pulled across the front of the lorry to turn in front of it the motorbike collided with it. The judge in that case concluded that the motorbike rider must be incredibly careful when overtaking when he cannot see what is in front of him.

In similar circumstances the case of Clarke v Whinchurch (1969) found the motorcyclist 100% at fault. The judge ruled that the motorcyclist should have realised something was happening up ahead when a bus in a line of slow moving traffic stopped to let a vehicle out from a side road on his left. The car came out quite slowly in front of the bus and was hit by the .

In the case of Leeson v Bevis Transport (1972) the motorcyclist was found equally responsible for an accident where a van driver emerged from a side road. The court said that the motorcyclist did nothing wrong in overtaking the line of stationary vehicles, but needed to keep an effective lookout, whilst the van driver should have been aware of the possibility of vehicles overtaking in this way.

More recently in the case of Worsford v Howe (1980) the motorcyclist was found 50% at fault. This was a two lane road. The nearside was for traffic going straight ahead and the second lane was for traffic turning right. The biker was riding in the second lane at a speed of 10-30 mph. A tanker had left a large gap in front of it to allow traffic to emerge from a railway yard on the left. A car emerged very slowly in front of the tanker across both lanes to turn right. A collision occurred. This case went to the Court of Appeal where the biker was found 50% at fault. The Court said that the biker was travelling too fast and that he had gone beyond his line of sight.

Next we move to Davis v Schrogrin, a Court of Appeal decision in 2006. The accident occurred on a long straight section of road with one lane in each direction. There was a long queue of stationary/slow moving vehicles. A motorcyclist travelling in the same direction was overtaking at about 40 mph. He was half to two thirds of the way across from the central white line, was displaying a dipped headlight and a right hand indicator. He had been in that position for approximately half a mile and was not weaving in and out of traffic. A car driver lost patience and decided to carry out a U turn when the motorcycle was no more than five car lengths back, and the inevitable collision occurred. The Court found the car driver wholly at fault on the basis the motorcyclist was there to be seen and that even if he had been travelling more slowly, it would have made no difference because he had been right on top of the point of the accident when the driver first did anything to alert the motorcyclist of his intended manoeuvre.

Next up is the case of Farley v Buckley in 2007. A motorcyclist was passing a refuse wagon which was travelling in the same direction and was indicating an intention to turn left into a side road. The lorry was unable to complete its turn as the side road was narrow and there was a car waiting to emerge and turn right. The motorcyclist travelling at a speed of about 30 mph overtook the refuse wagon with its wheels virtually on the centre white line when the car drove out. A collision occurred. The Court held the motorcyclist wholly at fault as it considered that the motorcyclist was travelling at a too high a speed which in the circumstances was reckless especially having regard to the nature of the manoeuvre that he had been carrying out, the lack of visibility to his left and the fact that the refuse wagon had been displaying its left indicator.

The next case to look at is Higgins v Johnson 2008 which is a County Court decision. In this case, a car was approaching a rugby ground on the right and indicated to turn into it. The car had commenced its manoeuvre when it was struck by a motorcycle which was overtaking. The Court heard evidence that the car driver first indicated left, then right, then left and then finally right again. The motorcyclist held back but when he believed that the car driver appeared to have settled on a course of continuing straight ahead, he pulled out to overtake. The Court accepted independent witness evidence that the car did indicate left, right, left and right. The final indication happened when the motorcyclist had already begun to overtake. The Court held that the car driver failed to check her mirrors or look over her shoulder and had she done so, she would have seen the motorcyclist. However, the Court also found that the motorcyclist was aware that there was an indecisive, erratically indicating driver ahead of him yet he proceeded to overtake her on a yellow boxed junction. The Court found the motorcyclist 25% to blame on this basis.

E.goldstein “they watching you”!

[peejay 0]

Not read the high way code since passing my car test 30 years ago [/quote]

Every road user has a responsibility to read the Highway Code on a regular basis to keep up with the law........"ignorance is no excuse of the law".........................now where's my copy from 1976...it must be here somewhere

[rawiswaruk 0]

As we all know there is no definitive answer to filtering on the left, and it has always fell on the "mood" of the police officer to write you up or not, well having a read of the online highway code I came across this.

Good enough for me to feel a little more relaxed when filtering

151

In slow-moving traffic. You should

* be aware of cyclists and motorcyclists who may be passing on either side

[Stue11 0]

@rawiswaruk wrote:

As we all know there is no definitive answer to filtering on the left, and it has always fell on the "mood" of the police officer to write you up or not, well having a read of the online highway code I came across this.

Good enough for me to feel a little more relaxed when filtering

151

In slow-moving traffic. You should

* be aware of cyclists and motorcyclists who may be passing on either side

Well done mate beat me to it

[dick65 0]

as to solid white lines,if a car pulls over and ive got room to pass without crossing the line i just go for it,ive noticed more people pull over when they see the ace coming,less so on the bandit.

[Skelly 0]

I got stopped for crossing double solid white lines, had started my overtake on staggered white line on my side.
Overtaking 4 or 5 cars, the first one pulling a caravan and there was a police car in the line also, because they were travelling nose to tail I didn't have chance to pull back before I reached the solid line again.
Copper stopped me (young and on his own, going to have some fun with this) he said I had overtaken on solid lines, no I didn't.
Copper apologized and said that I had crossed solid lines to get back into my lane. I agreed with him but asked him if he expected me to stay in the other lane until I reached a staggered line again. Didn't seem impressed with my reply.
Then I went on about car drivers driving to close together, not being able to get back in, not having enough distance to get back. Think he was glad to get away

[rawiswaruk 0]

@Skelly wrote:

I got stopped for crossing double solid white lines, had started my overtake on staggered white line on my side.
Overtaking 4 or 5 cars, the first one pulling a caravan and there was a police car in the line also, because they were travelling nose to tail I didn't have chance to pull back before I reached the solid line again.
Copper stopped me (young and on his own, going to have some fun with this) he said I had overtaken on solid lines, no I didn't.
Copper apologized and said that I had crossed solid lines to get back into my lane. I agreed with him but asked him if he expected me to stay in the other lane until I reached a staggered line again. Didn't seem impressed with my reply.
Then I went on about car drivers driving to close together, not being able to get back in, not having enough distance to get back. Think he was glad to get away

I think an older copper would of said to you. You should of made sure, you had a gap and time to get back into your own lane before the lines became solid, then he would of tasered and beat you LOL

[day101 0]

@rawiswaruk wrote:

@Skelly wrote:

I got stopped for crossing double solid white lines, had started my overtake on staggered white line on my side.
Overtaking 4 or 5 cars, the first one pulling a caravan and there was a police car in the line also, because they were travelling nose to tail I didn't have chance to pull back before I reached the solid line again.
Copper stopped me (young and on his own, going to have some fun with this) he said I had overtaken on solid lines, no I didn't.
Copper apologized and said that I had crossed solid lines to get back into my lane. I agreed with him but asked him if he expected me to stay in the other lane until I reached a staggered line again. Didn't seem impressed with my reply.
Then I went on about car drivers driving to close together, not being able to get back in, not having enough distance to get back. Think he was glad to get away

I think an older copper would of said to you. You should of made sure, you had a gap and time to get back into your own lane before the lines became solid, then he would of tasered and beat you LOL

[Guest Guest]

Yep, should always keep up to date with your Highway Code, it changes virtually yearly. Bad boy

[Davehutch-hutchs 0]

Rose wrote:

Yep, should always keep up to date with your Highway Code, it changes virtually yearly. Bad boy

Sorry Rose