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if you are in God's will nothing will happen....that would be a kin to
witchcraft....lola21st has some good advice.....

nice does not always get the point across....good post....

i don't blame this on God at all....He allows us free choice to do what we want....it is up to us to follow God....but sometimes He steps back and lets us have what we think we want....like those who prayed to the god of death....god did not condone the peoples choice of gods....but He did not interfere with the consequences of their actions....He has, i am sure, made His word know to a least some of them...had they heeded His call and message then they would have not met the end that they met....no, this was not God's fault or doing....if i sounded like i was blaming God fo this then i am sorry....it was not my intent at all...

Cholette wrote:

Do we really think GOD did that??

i think God gave them what they asked for....i have always heard to be careful what you pray for that God may just let you have what you want....and like Paul said everything is lawful but not everything is good for us....he is right....i have wanted some things i just knew would be good for my family although God would try to tell me it wasn't....but He would let me go try it so i could get it in my head Who knows best.....

i didn't know that about the Christians....but since God gave them what they prayed for He did spare the Christians....how cool is God?

i agree....sorry you had to loose your friend over their guilt (and yes i agree it was conviction)....but maybe one day Jesus will get throught to them....and equally guilty are the Chrsitians who hide away under the guise of "turning the other cheek"....stand strong....Jesus tells us tht if we deny Him He will not know us when our time comes....

swords99 wrote:

God sometimes did strange things in the Old Testament when men refused to listen or obey him. Remember Nebuchadnezzar? He repeatedly refused to heed to God's will and went crazy. He ended up on all four, eating grass.

how true....but now days when some people refuse to listen to God they end up smoking grass instead of eating it....and then end up on all fours....lol

yes....i went back the next day to print the report and it was removed from the net....i looked everywhere and all the copies of the report had been removed....talk about "political correctness".....my wife read it also and she was shocked by it....but she said that they got what they prayed for....and i agree.

do you remember when the first major tsunami in years hit south east asia?...so many people we caught unaware and died as a result?....i read an interesting news report about it the later the same day it happened....the report read something like this...the people in that area were celebrating the day of the dead....they would get up in the morning and get their house in order which would signifiy getting their life in order before they die....they would pray to the god of death and then they would go to the beach and wait for the god of death to come in on a wave....well, guess who God allowed to show up that day?....and many times since, lately.....

excellent post....i found this to be very interesting....you have made some great points....some people want to confuse dream interpretations with a psychic reading....they are totally different and the main difference is one is divinely inspired and the other is a cheap attempt to copy our Creator....

i have homeschooled 2 of our 4 children....the two who went to public school got lost to drugs, peer pressure, etc.etc.....the two who were homeschooled are just the opposite...well adjusted, don't do drugs, don't give in to preer pressure and have a great education....someone would have a hard time regulating my kids life as long as i am here....

have not received anything from greeks45....but i will keep an eye out for it....thanks for the warning...

thanks for the heads up....i usually don't even open strange looking e-mails especially if i don't know them....

Mia Sherwood wrote:

Hey, ya'll. The Lord threw me something to ponder.

Jesus talked to Moses and Elijah on the mountain after they were dead.

When replying, I am challenging and exhorting you to do the following, do not give any comment that does not have these two things:

Two scriptural quotes (that are not a formula 409 scripture which is so vague that it can be applied to anything) - I want specific scriptures.

AND

A living biblical example of your position.

For example if I were trying to give a position that dream interpretation was biblical I would use the scriptures where God says he would pour out his spirit on all flesh, and old and young men would dream dreams, and where the bible says that God said to Solomon in a dream..... .

In addition, I would give two examples of dreams being interpreted and given by God in the bible: The dream of Jacob's ladder and the dream of Daniel.

What do you all think about that?

Daniel 2 is a great example of dream interpretation....God gave Daniel everything he needed to know in order to give a complete and accurate interpretation....and it came to pass as Daniel told the king....so (imo) i believe that God does talk to us in dream as well as when we are awake....if God did not condone dream interpretation then i do not believe that He would use this method to reach out to us.....

and again in Daniel 4....and in Genesis 41....

this was a great question...i think some people link dream interpretation with paranormal activity....this is not true, not even close.....

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Mia Sherwood wrote:

Cholette wrote:

Who, in their right mind, is interested in the dead? I just don't get it. When you are filled with life, you don't want to be around death. I've heard of some Christians who study this type of stuff and it baffles me. There is enough to learn in the light...why go to the dark???

I absolutely stay as far away from it as I can. I don't need to make myself a target for any more issues than necessary. I have enough battles on my plate.

i know exactly what you mean....i can get into enough trouble without looking for
new ways....

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Mia Sherwood wrote:

lola21st wrote:

Also, I'm not so sure I agree that a truly born-again, Bible believing Christian who places his faith and trust in Christ alone, can be demon possessed. We can be oppressed by satan but that's something entirely different. Jesus does indeed protect our souls if we are born again from the enemy who seeks to steal and destroy it.

I 150% agree with your statement above. However, I don't think that randomhit10 was referring to the general case; I think she was referring to people who intentionally/willfully cross the line to explore and/or participate in the spiritual world knowing that this is disobedience - e.g., witchcraft, attempting to contact the dead, psychics, etc.

What happens to them?

I can tell you from personal experience that you CAN be a born again Christian and be attacked in your body and mind by demons. I believe that many illnesses are the result of demonic power and I personally have been attacked by spirits while praying for people. Think about it, when we pray for people to be healed, Christian, or no, I've heard many Christians pray and take authority over spirits of sickness and disease, even when praying for Christians. That the person has a spirit of infirmity means a spirit was infecting a Christian.

I'm not saying Christians can be completely controlled/possessed by demons but people certainly do have demonic attacks in their minds and their bodies, even when Spirit filled. Thank the LORD that He left us with the authority to kick those spirits out, but there are still battles with them on the battlefield.

GHOST HUNTING?

I think the question is, is it a sin to go hunting for ghosts? (Which basically are spirits.) My opinion is this; God doesn't want us seeking spirits of dead people in place of him. The issue with contacting the dead in the bible was that people contacted them to get answers from them (supernatural answers) instead of waiting on and/or seeking God.

Is it a good idea to go messing around in the spirit realm when we basically have no idea what we are doing? NO!

My personal opinion is that it might not be a sin to ghost hunt but instead of asking people, who basically are usually only barely hitting the surface of any true knowledge of the spiritual realm, my advice is to ask God for the low down. He is the ONLY One that I would trust to answer that question because I'd be afraid for my safety mucking around in that kind of territory.

Love,
mia

excellent answer....and i agree 100%.....but look at it this way also....why would God tell us not to involve ourselves with the spirit world (paranormal) if we were not in grave danger....maybe would could contact a deceased relative but how do you if they are really who they say they are?...the spirit world is where satan and his demonic forces hide and do their work from....by trying to make contact you open yourself up to what ever is out there....and there are some things out there who want to eat you alive....even watching this on tv can open your mind to attack....satan has had thousands of years to learn his craft and he will not miss a chance to come after you....and what can the dead tell you about your life that you would need to know that God can't tell you?....is your life with Christ worth the risk of losing it?....is your life so boring that you need this activity for excitement?....if it is then you better get ready....you will change your life beyond your wildest dreams, in a very bad way.....spend that time fellowshipping with Jesus or go donate your time to a homeless shelter....you will feel a lot better....

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swords99 wrote:

randomhit10 wrote: that "familiar spirits are demonic spirits" and this I agree with completely. You also said something interesting in that you wrote: "I have learned the hard way that there are some really bad things out there just waiting for you to give them an opportunity to have you for lunch...christians are not immune if you deliberately cross the line and dabble in the spirit world, against God's instruction..."

My question is this: Would God ever instruct a Christian (or anyone for that matter) to ever dabble in the spirit world? There's a man who calls himself the paranormal pastor because he hunts for "ghosts" and claims this is his spiritual gift. But would God ever give us a gift to be used in the spiritual realm even if we use it to bring the wayward to God, as this pastor claims he does?

Also, I'm not so sure I agree that a truly born-again, Bible believing Christian who places his faith and trust in Christ alone, can be demon possessed. We can be oppressed by satan but that's something entirely different. Jesus does indeed protect our souls if we are born again from the enemy who seeks to steal and destroy it.

you have raised some very interesting questions....

i have been guilty of this in the past myself so i know where you are coming from with you first question....what i failed to take into consideration was the basic nature of God adn that was that God would never ask or allow any of us to do anythng that goes against this nature....God is sin free and can not allow sin in His presence....God went to great lengths to tell us to avoid any activity that involves contact with the sipirt world outside of Heavenly boundaries....like in the case of adam and eve....God told the to partake of all the blessings that had been created for them but of the tree in the midst of the garden....so there would be no way that God could tell them that it would be ok to take a smalll bite anyway...that would go against what God had been trying to teach them....God would never place us in a state of sin for any reason...i hope i am saying this right and you can understand the meaning of what i am saying....

i am not saying that the pastor does not have a calling from God or that his intentions be pure of heart...i would encourage the pastor to re-examine exactly what God is telling him to do and maybe change the wording of the description of how he tries to convey his calling to others....God may very well use a spiritual gift to reach others but (imo) God would never be a party to breaking His own rules to do so....bring the wayward to Christ is all of our jobs and i hope your pastor is able to bring them in by the hundreds....but i am not sure if you meant that he was ministering to the spirit world also....

and i agree....if you completely and sincerely belong to Jesus then you can not be possessed by satan but you will always be a moving target to attacks....there is nothing satan likes more than tearing down a believer......

randomhit10

yes...God speaks to me very often, like a friend....He does so because He know i am so hardheaded and when He just simply leads me i question Him to a fault...i actually hear 2 voices...one i now know is God's and the other is not....

randomhit10

i agree with what you are saying...i believe you have good understanding....

randomhit10

the problems i have heard about which version is th ebest stems from the NIV authors have taken some liberties with the translation of some passages even to the point of leaving out some passages completely....does it really hurt anything?....only if you feel it does....your relationship with God and Jesus is the most important thing...if your Bible is a stumbling block then get one that isn't...Paul warned the believers not to be so legalistic as to be a stumbling block to others who are following Jesus, in earnest...

i have used the NIV in the beginning and it helped lay the foundation for using the KJV later...i now use the KJV solely and i am able to get a good understanding from it now, along with a prayer for wisdom each time...there are so many resources available to us now that if you want to you can even go to the original translations to help you better understand what the Bible is teaching....

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one other thning to ask yourself....is what i am being told in the character of God...God will not tell us anything that is out of line of His instructions that guide our lives...for instance, He will not tell you to steal something or tell a lie to someone....this would be out of character for Him but not out of chartacter for the imposter (satan or demonic forces) to do...and try to convince you it is God telling you this...i have had this happen to me more than once...

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thank you Connie, lola21st, and daphanie02.....i hope to be a help on here....

stan

sorry...that was one translation that i had read that many Bible scholars seem to lean toward....personally i don't know of anyone who can say for sure who Gog is outside of the Lord...and i am going to wait on the Lord...

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no...people will be forced to choose between God or take the mark of the beast....there will be no one who survives and not be on God's side....the only hint at this will be after the 1000 year reign...when satan is loosed on the world to deceive the nations one last time...

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that was an very good take on familiar spirits and past lives...people look so hard in all the wrong places for the answers that would give them hope...not surprising why they are not able to find it...

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