what is LOGIC?

[takata 0]

within these 2 weeks, i got calls/sms/pm asking me to share TH$ Chevroletor.
please listen carefully....

1. i din get 6nos TH$ Chevroletor!
2. why must i share my extra on ur request?
3. why must i tell u da location i get?
4. when i tell u to check on da 'story' tat u heard, don tell me am bluffing u!
5. am lazy enough to hunt coz of work load + boring on HW.
6. don tell me is me who is so 'lan-si' @ sombong @ tamak of my haul.
7. my style, attitude talks! i will tell if i wanted to.

Shackz, u told Raymond bout da story u heard frm C4 staff regarding some1 score 6nos TH$(i donno how da staff described bout da person who score tat) & Raymond told me is ME! WTF???
-Raymond, u r matured enough but when comes to HW @ HWCM, imo u r childish.
-Shackz, don spread words/rumours if u have no idea on wats going on.
logic thinking please!
WTF is this collector behavior, in this 'CLUB'???

*Desmond + Shackz, i donno wats ur arrangement bout my x1no of 09' club car.
no update till now, even i met Shackz after i voiced out bout my 'special -club car missing- case'.

I ALREADY PREPARE TO LEAVE HWCM IF THIS CASE IS PUT UNDER <DELETE/BLOCK>

[pydrumerboy 0]

*sigh*Ok I am going to monitor this thread very carefully. I would not encourage anyone who is not involved to participate unnecessarily. However for Raymond(which raymond??) and shackz, please contact takata immediately or respond in this thread and get to the bottom of this quickly. thank you from the moderator team

[takata 0]

Py, thanks of ur time monitoring tiz topic/case

as for others who involve in da situations i mentioned (not only Shackz & HW-Rayz aka Raymond) plz take note on my situation coz i really tired of hearing nonsense.
-do ur homework/take note on wat has been happening around(not only my case).

[shakz7 0]

WTF is wrong in here now...

You guys had issue about $uper Thunt... and you guys wanna scalp all you want or if im scalping all i want why is i becomming an issue here now?

C4 staff informed this 1 dude came and took all the hunts including $uper Hunts...

So now can i know whats the issue involving me? Takata was your name mentioned by the staff? And Rayz if you have disputes about ppl holding up loads of $uper hunts... then please dont involve name into all this...

This is information gained from C4 so and as far as im concern each of us have our own ppl and way to get information in regards to stock etc...

So i believe in this case... ive shared out what i got to know from C4 to fellow forumers so they are aware there is new stocks but hunts and supers are gone.

Please grow up guys.... and be more matured... no 1 complains if you are scalping or holding back stuff for your own or trade... i guess the same goes to the rest also...

If i wanted to get the $uper hunt from takata can alwayz communicate with him and find a way to get it done....

My mistake now was to share the information and the rest of HWCmers and each and every1 of us are taking our own personal self interest of getting the $uper hunt from another person.

Lesson learned.... am not gonna share any more information with you guys..

Takata - as for your bettle cup .... im not n charge of it... it was just my intention to help you out to get it from the club.... but it seems the cars are with desmond... and im sorry cant be passing you mine coz its been detailed further by a good friend.... hope this will clear the air in regards to your club car... As we had dealed before if you have any other further issue in regards to this please let me know we can alwayz meet up at our normal location in maluri to sort things out....

Rayz - please do change and be logical and please be fair to every1 and its up to the individual to share or not what ever they had Scored.... "You DONT GIVE SO YOU WONT GAIN" .....

Cheers!

Shakz

[Raymond 0]

takata wrote:

Py, thanks of ur time monitoring tiz topic/case

as for others who involve in da situations i mentioned (not only Shackz & HW-Rayz aka Raymond) plz take note on my situation coz i really tired of hearing nonsense.
-do ur homework/take note on wat has been happening around(not only my case).

fuh thought u're referring to me............

[Rayz-HWC 0]

My reply - same with topic. Over and out!

[sinclair 0]

My advice : Always talk to the source to clarify, don't listen to 3rd party coz already added extra salt and pepper.

And I'm sure we are all adult enough to discuss in a civil manner face to face.

[takata 0]

Rayz-HWC wrote:

My reply - same with topic. Over and out!

WHAT IS THIS ANSWER?

shackz himself had called me & voiced out his situation here.
am kidda clear bout his position in my case.
AT LEAST I KNOW WAT TO TAKE NOTE.

rayz, u did sms-ed me telling me am <impersonating>, coz i 'donwan' share my TH$ wif u.
& end up u explained u worry some1 is saboting HWCM????
u (msg to other as well) have no right to take/control on others decision.
am being 'attack' coz of salt & pepper added in my haul.

[undercoverbrother 0]

I am pissed. Not because of the issue, not whoever is right and wrong either. I am reading yet another typical post by unhappy collector. So, issues happened, unhappy collector should be unhappy, that is all fine as always. But there is this one thing that seriously, make me pissed. All of them who went all out just have to add the same ol phrase.. 'club'.

Let me put it in a way everyone reading this can understand. DEMONICLE, RAYZ and whoever you sees fit DOES NOT EQUALS TO HWCM.

HWCM is nothing more than a family of collectors who share same hobby of collecting hotwheels. You can be part of it, or you can just look at us from one side, or you may choose to be anti-hwcm whatsoever. Not in my knowledge HWCM is aggressively wooing collectors to join in, or declared whoever on the outside ain't a playa. Even if you have nothing good to say about HWCM any hotwheels collector is a fellow collector. I have utmost respect to whoever been in this Hotwheels thing, every Amcorp faces i get to know as matter of fact, even if they look down at us accusing HWCM people to be 'scalper' or believing we accusing them as scalper.

Now, Demonicle started HWCM. A core team behind this thing, is obviously those who demonicle get to know personally, not like demonicle has the access to entire Malaysian collectors to see who deserves the most to be committees and whatnot. And to tell you the truth we look forward to have good playaz from all sides to help us make this happens. The committees. Sinclair and Boneshaker are not your "those hwcm people who ruin the scene by stealing our hunts". In fact the actual numbers of serious t-hunters in HWCM can be counted with fingers and whether they deserves to be called hoarders is up to individuals. We had fellow playa from JB (before demonicle ended up there). We had another from so called 'another side' appointed as committee too, for sole reason that he's a cool dude who knows his thing, although for some reason he longers feels us. I don't even have idea how some of the mods looks like, hell no one even knows how the hell pydrummer looks like except his hand. So do playaz like prabha who carries no 'title' but dedicated themselves in HWCM activities like no other members does. What im trying to say is the way it works this lil community happens because of people being just as passionate. NOT a bunch of people walking together in Amcorp who thinks they're cool cause they have a club. Unfortunately people just have to say this, "There.. HWCM people".

So, in the event Demonicle or Rayz or the undercoverbrother decided to move on, they don't carry the HWCM with them. The club is here, the forum is still here for you guys to spam. Am i getting this very clear?

Now, you have specific issue concerning HWCM like not getting the club car (yet), that's fine if you decided to air it out here. Although i can just say this thingy is as simple as single sms. But i dont consider this any 'club threatening' issue so let's move on.

Demonicle, Rayz, Shakz. You have things that you're pretty frustrated, and it's not the first time. Understood. Let me just say that in some point it takes us committees too to have certain issues with each other. It could be silly or serious issues but almost all the problems arise goes away pretty quick because in the end it's so simple to figure out all of this is just plain misunderstandings. What if it's unsettled still? As i always said, look at the bigger picture. We have a club to look on, and some things are just not worth beefing about. Even if i learned fellow members got even smarter in huntings to the point my own chances are very slim. So what?

I know takata will be annoyed with this spm post but i just need to let this get out of my chest cause i've keeping this for long, long time. This is not meant for just you, but whoever who just have no other word than 'club' to put the their blame on. To the point they just have to highlight 'Not for club members' in their ebay sales. When did Hotwheels scene became such political? War of words between individuals ain't a politic. When people starts seeing things as 'this and that side' that there is necessity to align yourself to either one then it's all politics. Why don't you just put your curse on particular members who raided 1U TRU (which somehow includes me) and leaves HWCM alone?

Now go on shooting the names you mentioned. I'm done.

[undercoverbrother 0]

And no one allowed to delete this thread cause the undercover has spoken.

[netmatrix 0]

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And no one allowed to delete this thread cause the undercover has spoken.

[pydrumerboy 0]

Please less spam the better Nets "reaction" speaks for all of us , no more after this. thank you

[undercoverbrother 0]

netmatrix wrote:

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Since takata dared people "only attitude talks", so i gave him one.

Anyway some things are so simple, in eight's words a 'non-issue' to start with. You have any doubt, you share it here and let people concerned give their side of story and readers are wise enough to form their opinions. Ask anything, even things that somewhat seems controversial. Our mods don't blindly deletes as long as you don't cross the line. Why the need to keep harping on the word HWCM when the other 400+ names have nothing to do with. Even if you feels it's best that you no longer 'associate' yourself with the club due to 1 or 2 people behind it (of if you feel these 400 figure are the reason behind your t-hunts misery) you could have just leave gracefully like one of the earliest committee did, or express your desire here, confess that you're unhappy if you want, and a simple farewell for us to acknowledge. Why do you feel "I WILL LEAVE HWCM IF.." is something you need to put in bold and oversized fonts?

I'll give one example of how simple things can be viewed differently once you get the idea. A fellow playa here used to mention in this forum (no he didn't complained about it but merely mentioning as part of discussion) he went to Carrefour Klang and spotted a case with '08 reg Mustangs inside. Now if you are the best know it all person it's so easy to connect the dots and figure out that's insider's stash he just saw. But the fact is undercover did personally spotted the pallete he's allowed go through, and picked one of each regs to compare and choose the best 5 out of all the varying tones (and a Super of course) and returned the whole remaining for the staff to place back on pegs. That's about it. But is this place after all 'clean' at that time? Of course it's not cause i once went there and the dude brought out 30 cases worth of cleanly raped cases with zero greens inside, but for some reason.. the one and only green already hanging on peg that the raider must have missed that time is a Super Custom Chevy. That is what hunting is all about.

And when people mention Carrefour we knows the tendency of them ordering it in pallette, so sometimes it's fascinating to hear how playaz could do massive one shot scores like a pallette worth of GMC, 34' Fords, Torinos etc. And please mind that this was never 'HWCM' thing, it could be anyone. By any means, he can be lucky or by certain 'foul' ways whatsoever but that was least of my concern.. a fellow collector just had a great scores. But of course if it's one culprit who's doing it all along i would have figure out best way to be ahead of him. Dragging his name here and whoever he's 'associated' with and shoot him til no end would only be my last option (not to say we never do it). But the way it works, apparently every and every single 'incidents' must be none other than the 'club', yeah us HWCM'ers even if none of us were there at first place. Is it fair that i capitalize this forum to launch attack towards to these people who scores big, who i already know aren't a scalper or even t-hunt collector themselves to begin with? Perhaps all because it wasn't my 'gang' who captured these hunts?

And please take note discussing about morality of hoardings and personal attacks are two different things. While you can have positive discussions bout the first, but the latter is something i really need to address out. I can brag that i don't need to go as far using having power over insiders to make sure none of the greens made it to peg, but that's not the point.

I know this whole thing isn't related to Takata's real problem, but like i said it's something i've been keeping all along. You see, the infamous Shah Alam Giant is now having Race World thing. And there's some massive Chevroletor cases there. And do you know that my friend was actually there night before when the cases arrived and he witnessed himself the employee took out one and every single greens and carried them away. There's no 'the other side of story' of it, it's plain insider hoarding. You know how upset i was? But that's the reality of this Treasure Hunts thing. I can be a great 'detective' and track the culprits and all and then shout it all loud here, but it won't do any good. I'll probably separate collectors fanbase further, and most of them are probably someone i know personally. And to think that i myself had my great scores before, not one but few playaz here had their Super scores there too, even my non t-hunter friend grabbed one there for my birthday, perhaps it's time to look at the bigger picture.. anyone could pull it.

I can keep talking about this til no end, but i do hope you guys could realize this whole thing whether it's greens or Takata's problem is never about club and whatsoever. I got pissed whenever i had to hear HWCM word being used over and over again. And sorry Takata if i offended you, anyway if you wanted to leave HWCM for good i wish nothing but the best for you. And one thing you need to know too, is whatever your suspicion about Friday night dudes are unfounded. No one is spreading "Takata is a bad scalper" and whatnot, i mean the point is who the hell doesn't sell a thing at few bucks more, that makes entire collectors out there guilty of it.

[takata 0]

UCB>>>

since u voiced out a lot from ur view.
i can highlight 1 more thing...

"I CAN FORGIVE BUT I CANNOT FORGET"

tiz point here is bcoz of ur attitude in our previous deal which u FFK me; while during tat time i treated u as a trustable bro/collector in toy collecting.
untill now, tat particular item still wif me, which i preorder on behalf of u!
i have to keep it wif me, cash stuck as stock, while u keep on ur daily life!
u remember bout tiz case?

as bout Rayz,
keeping silent is either u wanna avoid,
@ am da 1 who 'syok sendiri' bomblast nonsense?

my attitude, straight foward if any1 'step on my tail'.
& tiz is wat had happen on me!

undercoverbrother wrote:

Why do you feel "I WILL LEAVE HWCM IF.." is something you need to put in bold and oversized fonts?

i wan every1 to know bout my situation,
which i feel so i have some responsibility to guide those beginner/new comer.
since i STILL in HWCM at tiz moment.

UCB, ur long essay might help/guide begginer/new comer but not on me.
anyhow, i'll still take note on it but da pass history between us making me sick whenever i c ur essay(my own problem).

[undercoverbrother 0]

What?

Now i'm at lost, FFK over which deal? Are you refering to 1:18 batmobile which i did take?

[takata 0]

undercoverbrother wrote:

What?

Now i'm at lost, FFK over which deal? Are you refering to 1:18 batmobile which i did take?

glad u remember it.
u DID take 1no out of 2nos u asked me to preorder!

how u explained to me?
still remember?
"i already get another 1no, cheaper, from other collector."
while u PO frm me in advance.

[undercoverbrother 0]

takata wrote:

undercoverbrother wrote:

What?

Now i'm at lost, FFK over which deal? Are you refering to 1:18 batmobile which i did take?

glad u remember it.
u DID take 1no out of 2nos u asked me to preorder!

Duh! i did update making a change very shortly after mentioning 2 which i already made it very clear even before i made first order that the 2nd one is one behalf of another dude which never say he confirms it yet and i'll update ya his decision shortly. Unless in the last minute i say "eh don't want lah" then yeah that is called ffk. I did not confirm 2 at first place and furthermore i updated whether he wants or not pretty shortly after!

And even if you already place order and it's not cancelable i never recall you stressing out to me that order's done i need to take 2. You can even say it loud with bold fonts here if you see bad trades coming. In any case i'll take 2 and help re-clear the 2nd unit. No problem there! I never know i'm on supposed bad trader alert until reading your post now. If you need me take it even now i'll just pay it and collect today, plain and simple.

[undercoverbrother 0]

takata wrote:

"i already get another 1no, cheaper, from other collector."
while u PO frm me in advance.

Now you're adding something. When the hell did i bought from another collector, that makes me holding 3 batmobiles cause i think everyone already know i already have 1 for myself before anything.

[undercoverbrother 0]

People who dealt with me knows whenever i erred in something i'll still proceed if i made word it's reserved for me. E.g UCB is fussy dude he didn't specify precisely he's looking for minty mint but when it didnt turn out that way he would never say "hey i tak mau lah". Are you familiar with my mostly 'take loss' sales to 'replace' for my newly bought/traded stuff? I'll work out a way that there'll never be any win-loss situation, if only the other side bother to acknowledge me something not right is going on.

So i'll tell you what. Now that i know, pass the 2nd batmobile today or tomorrow, we'll have a COD and i'll pay it. Is it alright for you?

[takata 0]

undercoverbrother wrote:

Now you're adding something. When the hell did i bought from another collector, that makes me holding 3 batmobiles cause i think everyone already know i already have 1 for myself before anything.

u get da CHEAPER frm Singapore, frm a collector(no name mention).
& am very sure is after ur PO wif me.
am not adding anything, only da fact.

C u 2nite for COD, PO price.

[undercoverbrother 0]

takata wrote:

undercoverbrother wrote:

Now you're adding something. When the hell did i bought from another collector, that makes me holding 3 batmobiles cause i think everyone already know i already have 1 for myself before anything.

u get da CHEAPER frm Singapore, frm a collector(no name mention).
& am very sure is after ur PO wif me.
am not adding anything, only da fact.

C u 2nite for COD, PO price.

Precisely! I got 1 from Singapore which is MINE. That's what i meant by i already have 1, and the possible 2 from you is for the purpose having opening one and the other for my friend. Which i made it clear let my friend confirm whether if he's interested with, and which i clarify shortly after that i'll take 1 instead, and you nodded. And please confirm back with your 'source' that i paid rm200+ for it, which includes his tax and all. Which means i in fact got one pricier from him earlier and proceed for another one with you (which is in fact CHEAPER). So i am freaking at lost here how the hell it turns out to be "undercover ffk'ed takata cause he managed to get another one cheaper". Do you understand the whole story?

[takata 0]

call made direct to UCB.
COD 2nite.

[Rayz-HWC 0]

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as bout Rayz,
keeping silent is either u wanna avoid,
@ am da 1 who 'syok sendiri' bomblast nonsense?

What is 'Logic'?
a) got a call from Shakz, cases arrived, was raided @ C4

b) staff gives description of collector (usually members recognise other members) leading shakz and me to think maybe our good ol'member takata scored - cool beans! Cos scored by our mutual member and not some MOFO out there!!

c) next...SMS-ed Tkt about the story (thinking maybe can try trade/buy one)

d) final conclusion from SMS (you can read in spoiler, copied and paste from tkt 1st post)

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1. i din get 6nos TH$ Chevroletor! Ok...fine
2. why must i share my extra on ur request? I wasn't requesting, just trying my luck like any member would
3. why must i tell u da location i get? It was me who SMS you about the news...remember?
4. when i tell u to check on da 'story' tat u heard, don tell me am bluffing u!
5. am lazy enough to hunt coz of work load + boring on HW. Every1else shares this same boat
6. don tell me is me who is so 'lan-si' @ sombong @ tamak of my haul. I won't dare accuse you of sombong/tamak - when I do it myself! It's not a crime

Conclusion to this crisis (btwn Me & Tkt - i'll turn a blind-eye to the personal attacks - cos it doesn't bother me much really this is a hobby to me - not life & death...nor anything to do with pride or ego etc etc etc)

Spoiler:

 

rayz, u did sms-ed me telling me am <impersonating>, coz i 'donwan' share my TH$ wif u & end up u explained u worry some1 is saboting HWCM????
u (msg to other as well) have no right to take/control on others decision.
am being 'attack' coz of salt & pepper added in my haul.

Yes...my initial call was to try my luck if you really struck 'Haul' - cool for me..but said wasn't you. Fine. Story ended. I carried on (as my usual self) pondering a bit, and thinking maybe, just maybe there could be someone impersonating as you, I know someone out there too looks like me, cos there was this staff who actually asked me "Hey didn't you come buy some just yesterday?" I was like WAT! shocKED! So it was more of a heads-up...there may be some hanky-panky going on, and one of the possibility could be this someone, or group may be trying to sabotage HWCM too....so please let us all know, in which way did i mis-interpret to what you typed on the above spoiler, to what we converse the other day?

What gave you the idea that 'cos you didn't want to share your haul', i'm making this crisis towards you? You don't share. Full-stop. Same goes with me. Everyone in HWCM knows...read shakz comment....and end with your comment...let's see how it's r-e-a-d

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and its up to the individual to share or not what ever they had Scored.... "You DONT GIVE SO YOU WONT GAIN" .....

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AT LEAST I KNOW WAT TO TAKE NOTE.

You think i have so much salt (time)/pepper (patience) here to make you boil? Just like shakz7 said...

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Lesson learned....

I was reminded of a chinese saying that goes, "Doing good may not end good"

And in regards to the below....what you saying/mean wo?

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...u (msg to other as well) have no right to take/control on others decision.

??...in what sense you referring to la...rights to control others decision? How can anyone person be able to do that? I'm not a hynotism guy wor?

Just because a few guys called you up, asking about the same thing, you so easy frust ah? Wait..hang on...how many guys to be precise? x5? x10? How is that even accumulate to frust wo gang ? frust that you have to repeat yourself over and over? frust others think you scalp/hoard cos your name always comes up? Same with me what!! You never hear rumours/small talks about me being the most Stingy guy, Most obnoxious, loudest, most idiotic in the group, always try to get the cheapest price blablablablablablablabla

That's me Rayz

Or is it.....down to the bone - you just want to let forum know....DON'T POINT FINGER AT ME WHENEVER *CERTAIN C4s STOCKS ARE RAIDED!!! Think this msg here is quite loud and clear to all exsiting members, and future new members to take note...

**by the way I'll be there tonight if you wanna sit and chat buddy...c ya

[undercoverbrother 0]

I came here just to point out HWCM got nothing to do with your problem, for you to imply it is all about the club. I'm not here to defend Shakz and Raymond either, it's you guys thing. But you took it to another level.

So it's implied now that i had cheated people over certain deal. Fine then.

You used the word "I CAN FORGIVE BUT I CANNOT FORGET". I'll do the same.

Once the COD over (someone will help out cause i couldn't make it tonight) i won't have anything to do with you anymore. I come as a person who tried to sort things out which i could have just ignore it as it wasn't my responsibility at first place, but you probably see everything as nothing more than between a buyer and seller. For you attitude talks. Fine then.

I won't be providing any essays or replying to this thread anymore, no positive talks could set things right. Pass the ball back to the mods. Goodnight.

[eight 0]

i guess this issue ends here and should end here.
it just a big misunderstanding. i know everyone of u guys personally and i think everyone of u are cool dudes, all of u are just what this club tagline is "BIG PASSION FOR SMALL CARS"

come on hug hug kiss kiss small hug big kiss and make up

[sinclair 0]

I hope everybody can work everything out.

My advice : Don't burn bridges. One day you may need to cross to the other side.

[pydrumerboy 0]

Looks like there were other unresolved issues cropping up here. However undercover has offered to buy the other batmobile from tkt. I think that is the best solution between u two so far. Its good to clear things.

Now back to the issue at hand. What i would like to recap
1. Do not drag HWCM down when members misunderstand each other. HWCM is bigger than any one of us here. I for one am a member of HWCM and do feel offended if I were to be grouped and roped in togetgher with nonsense others may have created.

2. Everyone have said their peace, however with takata permission, I will only close this thread after you guys have talked among yourselves(tkt, shakz and rayz) and mention here the outcome of your discussion so as to tie this up properly. Takata must be the one responsible to report if this issue is solved.

3. Most important to me is, Who started this 6$uper Chevroletor rumor? This I want to know and I think all of us in HWCM including me would like to know how in the world this came about. Was it rayz or shakz who said it? or someone else?. I think you all owe us this much since I see this as one of the main culprit that cause this thing in the first place. Takata please clarify thanks

And please keep this thread spam free. So far its spam free, tq for your cooperation.

[undercoverbrother 0]

pydrumerboy wrote:

Looks like there were other unresolved issues cropping up here. However undercover has offered to buy the other batmobile from tkt. I think that is the best solution between u two so far. Its good to clear things.

I already said i wouldn't come out with anymore reply so forgive me cause i just did. I just want to make it very clear so everyone could get the whole picture. Takata you can just skip reading this post if it makes you sick.

The fact is there's no such thing as 'unresolved issues' like pydrummer said as i only discovered this right when takata decided to brought this back just now.

Firstly takata was refering to 1:18 1966 batmobile which everyone knows he opened for preorder. And way back i already have one for myself which i indeed got it from Singapore through someone's help but fact is i actually spent higher than his, feel free to confirm this with whoever you learned this from. The price which is cheaper and whatnot isn't an issue but if that's something everyone need to know, then yeah takata's stocks is in fact cheaper. But that's not the point, i need one more to rape (yeah, the 1:18) and fellow playa shown interest with but will decide if it's within his budget, and of course i've alerted this beforehand. He declined and so i went for one. End of story.

And so the way story is spun, which again i just discovered moments ago, i actually declined cause i got another one cheaper. FFK. What the hell? Why didn't i rejected both takata's order and go for supposed cheaper then? You see, there's this a problem with this thing so called 'source'. In fact most of the problems ever arise in this Hotwheels thing are due to 'source'. Thing is no one lies, but its how the word travels. Put the word 'fact' in bold, put that bigger fonts as well of course it's true, but why half the story and further twisted as in i got it cheap after takata's preorder? Urging me to dump whatever i 'promised' to takata?

And pydrummer let me put this clear as well, buying the second one is called a solution only if he understands the reason i offered to buy. When things doesn't sounds good, also like what i just found out he had a loss for keeping it, it might somewhat attributed to me. Then we find out best way to sort it out. But please, dont ever get an impression undercover felt guilty that i have to fork up more money to cover my as. Rightfully i could have just throw this aside and ignore this altogether. I tried to approach this as a fellow collector, but if people forever see this as buyer and seller thing then there's nothing more i could do, no wonder scalping is such a huge issue cause all of y'all are businessmen yourselves!

Speaking bout 1:18 batmobile, you see there's in fact more to this. Apparently i've upset someone over this thingy too by "calling his things expensive". See, another huge misunderstandings that if only i could come out and clear it all. But maybe not in this thread, and no open arguments necessary at all if i had the chance i'll just show up and have pleasant chat with him, someone i had utmost respect for him.

See, there's a reason i have to keep writing things in essay format. If i trim this any shorter will you guys fully understand?

[Rayz-HWC 0]

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3. Most important to me is, Who started this 6$uper Chevroletor rumor? This I want to know and I think all of us in HWCM including me would like to know how in the world this came about. Was it rayz or shakz who said it? or someone else?. I think you all owe us this much since I see this as one of the main culprit that cause this thing in the first place. Takata please clarify thanks

Py...this didn't started out as a rumour, but like usual hear-says lu...am sure you heard from your assist sometimes saying/telling you certain things ma, same goes with ANY collector out there. There are some 'real' friendly employees out there wan who likes to 'share' ....

How often when collectors go hunting and not hear 'stories' from employees/staffs/or from other collectors about what's what, who's who, when's what bla bla bla bla bla....then link x1000 times over and do 'homework' to end with conclusion - All this within span of 1 minute standing there LOL....

So #1 link --> #2 and then....you get the idea then leads to conclusion to the 'crisis'...due to communication-broken-down....

..morning went - nada (approach staff, said no new)
...noon go again for lunch - also nada (approached staff again, said no new)
.....evening go the peg was full! Saw staff, approach, saja teguh "Kenapa awal tada, tengahari pun tada...sekarang ada?"
....staff said "Cari hijau ke? Tadi ada budak blablablablabla dah ambik..macam warna merah cam....blablablablablablabla. Ya semua tire rabba."
...tut-tut (phone rings) "Dude...guess what C4 case arrived but raided dy...blablablablablablabla...really ah? ok cool let me call ask
...tit-tit-tit (SMS) Yo dude. Hauled C4 ah? Heard got x6 $THs le?
...tit-tit-tit (SMS) WHAT!? Not Me la @#$!@#!! No time to hunt!!!
...tit-tit-tit (SMS) Sure not ah? (as usual guys will try re-confirm kekeke)
...tit-tit-tit (SMS) Yes LA!!! Go do homework!! Don't point at me k!
...tit-tit-tit (SMS) Hmmm...if not you, but staff describes you, could some1 be impersonating you, also heard and think there could be some1 trying to sabotage HWCM name
...tit-tit-tit (SMS) Don't disturb me (not exact words cos forgotten last sms msg hehehe)

[pydrumerboy 0]

I see, thanks Rayz for your explanation. Appreciate it. Undercover, thanks for your clear explaination as well.

[Rayz-HWC 0]

Py...actually do you see any 'logic' in this post...or it's something that's been happening all these years we've been in this hobby? Seniors grown out of it, scalpers/hoarders turning a blind eye/deaf ears, adolescent ones try their best, newbs will usually whine....it's like a human life-cycle LOL...hehehe

[sahama 0]

Wa undercover you throw away just like that my comment. What a disqusting.

[sahama 0]

So who this guy Rays Hwc can simply delete other people comment as you please.

[sahama 0]

So where the logic. Its just your own head.

[pydrumerboy 0]

Dear bro sahama, I am the one who deleted your post as I do not want any outside comments at this point that does not solve this problem. So please stop posting here. I am waiting for takata to reply here as to the final outcome of the discussion with all the involved party.

I am the mod of this thread and when I delete, it is not I benci or I want to have any masalah with you. Just putting things into order. thank you for your cooperation.

[undercoverbrother 0]

sahama wrote:

Wa undercover you throw away just like that my comment. What a disqusting.

Hah?

Sorry py, please let anyone post in peace. Already i have been accused of ffk'ing people, and now im supposedly deleting fellow playaz comments, dunno whats next. It's all cool dude, hit it only when someone carut-carut or something. This whole thing isn't something serious aight for everyone else to be moved aside, if all parties concerned come across each other also probably we'll have yumcha and sembang more.

Yeah, Sahama what was it just now? I was away the whole time didn't get to read anything.

[pydrumerboy 0]

You gotta trust my judgement on this, I am not simply deleting post. Its all good. I already explained that its not you who deleted so everybody just rilek

[undercoverbrother 0]

Urm.. both of ya should pm me then. I should be knowing what's going on too right.

Takata thingy is all cool, of course we all know when it's time to move on. But i don't wish to invite yet another 'problem' that eventually involves this hwcm name, again. Hehe.

[takata 0]

i was at SS15 on Fri nite due to COD da Batmobile.
no 'FIRE' at all.(others there were oso wondering why da scene was so peace)
talked to Rayz.
note taken...

Misunderstanding?
Some1 saboting?
Conflict?
etc. a lot more......

FOR ME,

case close but really cannot delete.
is a cycle in any issues.

Shakz & UCB,
since not yet talk to u face to face(but note taken as usual), da senario is clearer than b4 i voice out.

move on.....

[undercoverbrother 0]

Yeah that's da spirit!

Now because i'm already exhausted for another essay to end this, i'll just let my homie abang wikipedia help do the explaining on takata's ultimate question..

Spoiler:

 

WHAT IS LOGIC?

Logic, (from the Greek λογικός logikos) is the study of reasoning. Logic is used in most intellectual activity, but is studied primarily in the disciplines of philosophy, mathematics, and computer science. Logic examines general forms which arguments may take, which forms are valid, and which are fallacies. It is one kind of critical thinking. In philosophy, the study of logic falls in the area of epistemology, which asks: "How do we know what we know?" In mathematics, it is the study of valid inferences within some formal language.

Logic has origins in several ancient civilizations, including ancient India, China and Greece. Logic was established as a discipline by Aristotle, who established its fundamental place in philosophy. The study of logic was part of the classical trivium.

Averroes defined logic as "the tool for distinguishing between the true and the false"; Richard Whately, '"the Science, as well as the Art, of reasoning"; and Frege, "the science of the most general laws of truth". The article Definitions of logic provides citations for these and other definitions.

Logic is often divided into two parts, inductive reasoning and deductive reasoning. The first is drawing general conclusions from specific examples, the second drawing logical conclusions from definitions and axioms. A similar dichotomy, used by Aristotle, is analysis and synthesis. Here the first takes an object of study and examines its component parts, the second considers how parts can be combined to form a whole.

Logic is also studied in argumentation theory.

[pydrumerboy 0]

Alright I guess case closed then ....pm me if anything thank you.

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