Davehutch-hutchs 0 Posted August 2, 2012 Olympic Gold medal winner Bradley Wiggins has called for new laws to make cyclists wear helmets after a man died in a crash near the Olympic Park. I for 1 can't see what good wearing one on a push bike will do , How many people do we know when we where kids or now who died through not wearing one ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oldfart 0 Posted August 2, 2012 Boris says he will not back this. Mind you some of them ride like idiots and jump red lights, cycle over pavements so pedestrians have to jump out of the way. Have nearly taken out no end of bikes up here riding without lights and the wrong way up the road. Think I'll put some cross hairs on my visor, might have better luck! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ptolemyx 0 Posted August 2, 2012 Well one died not wearing one didn't he, otherwise Wiggo wouldn't have spoken up???? Just because cyclist fatalities don't make the headlines doesn't mean it's not a problem with the roads and traffic as they are now - not like when we were kids all those years ago. Certain infringements of personal choice are definitely for the greater good; seatbelts, motor bike helmets and I'd agree with cycling helmets. I'd also go so far as to suggest cyclist have insurance like motorised road users and that the duty to obey normal courtesies like not riding on pavements, not going through red lights and obeying one way signage were also enforced. Our freedoms go hand in hand with our responsibilities.Old and Disgraceful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goferit 0 Posted August 2, 2012 @ptolemyx wrote:Well one died not wearing one didn't he, otherwise Wiggo wouldn't have spoken up???? Just because cyclist fatalities don't make the headlines doesn't mean it's not a problem with the roads and traffic as they are now - not like when we were kids all those years ago. Certain infringements of personal choice are definitely for the greater good; seatbelts, motor bike helmets and I'd agree with cycling helmets. I'd also go so far as to suggest cyclist have insurance like motorised road users and that the duty to obey normal courtesies like not riding on pavements, not going through red lights and obeying one way signage were also enforced. Our freedoms go hand in hand with our responsibilities.Old and Disgraceful Can't pronounce your name But agree with most you say here.. Especially insurance for cyclists.Passing a proficiency test might be a good idea?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dick65 0 Posted August 2, 2012 although i didnt wear one years back,i dont think you could get them then (yeah old )i always make sure the kids wear them on the road,some protections better than none Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davehutch-hutchs 0 Posted August 2, 2012 @dick65 wrote:although i didnt wear one years back,i dont think you could get them then (yeah old )i always make sure the kids wear them on the road,some protections better than none but i cant see why , whats the difference from falling off your bike of tripping over walking ?? Is it just me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dick65 0 Posted August 2, 2012 @Davehutch wrote:@dick65 wrote:although i didnt wear one years back,i dont think you could get them then (yeah old )i always make sure the kids wear them on the road,some protections better than none but i cant see why , whats the difference from falling off your bike of tripping over walking ?? Is it just me marie insists they wear them,ive got a couple mates who ride pro theyve both had bad crashes one was saved from serious head injury because of his helmet but i suppose thats different than just having a gentle ride Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davehutch-hutchs 0 Posted August 2, 2012 @dick65 wrote:@Davehutch wrote:@dick65 wrote:although i didnt wear one years back,i dont think you could get them then (yeah old )i always make sure the kids wear them on the road,some protections better than none but i cant see why , whats the difference from falling off your bike of tripping over walking ?? Is it just me marie insists they wear them,ive got a couple mates who ride pro theyve both had bad crashes one was saved from serious head injury because of his helmet but i suppose thats different than just having a gentle ride I can understand protecting your kids Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dick65 0 Posted August 2, 2012 they need protecting m8 young archies still got stabilisers but it doesnt stop him doing wheelies off the trampoline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davehutch-hutchs 0 Posted August 2, 2012 @dick65 wrote:they need protecting m8 young archies still got stabilisers but it doesnt stop him doing wheelies off the trampoline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stue11 0 Posted August 2, 2012 @ptolemyx wrote:Well one died not wearing one didn't he, otherwise Wiggo wouldn't have spoken up???? Just because cyclist fatalities don't make the headlines doesn't mean it's not a problem with the roads and traffic as they are now - not like when we were kids all those years ago. Certain infringements of personal choice are definitely for the greater good; seatbelts, motor bike helmets and I'd agree with cycling helmets. I'd also go so far as to suggest cyclist have insurance like motorised road users and that the duty to obey normal courtesies like not riding on pavements, not going through red lights and obeying one way signage were also enforced. Our freedoms go hand in hand with our responsibilities.Old and Disgraceful well said you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davehutch-hutchs 0 Posted August 2, 2012 @Stue11 wrote:@ptolemyx wrote:Well one died not wearing one didn't he, otherwise Wiggo wouldn't have spoken up???? Just because cyclist fatalities don't make the headlines doesn't mean it's not a problem with the roads and traffic as they are now - not like when we were kids all those years ago. Certain infringements of personal choice are definitely for the greater good; seatbelts, motor bike helmets and I'd agree with cycling helmets. I'd also go so far as to suggest cyclist have insurance like motorised road users and that the duty to obey normal courtesies like not riding on pavements, not going through red lights and obeying one way signage were also enforced. Our freedoms go hand in hand with our responsibilities.Old and Disgraceful well said you but you will always get 1, bet someone knows someone that has fell over hit there head and died , it isnt a common thing though is it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stue11 0 Posted August 2, 2012 @Davehutch wrote:@Stue11 wrote:@ptolemyx wrote:Well one died not wearing one didn't he, otherwise Wiggo wouldn't have spoken up???? Just because cyclist fatalities don't make the headlines doesn't mean it's not a problem with the roads and traffic as they are now - not like when we were kids all those years ago. Certain infringements of personal choice are definitely for the greater good; seatbelts, motor bike helmets and I'd agree with cycling helmets. I'd also go so far as to suggest cyclist have insurance like motorised road users and that the duty to obey normal courtesies like not riding on pavements, not going through red lights and obeying one way signage were also enforced. Our freedoms go hand in hand with our responsibilities.Old and Disgraceful well said you but you will always get 1, bet someone knows someone that has fell over hit there head and died , it isnt a common thing though is it I suppose its a freedom of choice on what you decide to do....same as i see motorcycleist not wearing protection etc etc other than an helmet by law you could ride ya bike wearing a mankini Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davehutch-hutchs 0 Posted August 2, 2012 @Stue11 wrote:@Davehutch wrote:@Stue11 wrote:@ptolemyx wrote:Well one died not wearing one didn't he, otherwise Wiggo wouldn't have spoken up???? Just because cyclist fatalities don't make the headlines doesn't mean it's not a problem with the roads and traffic as they are now - not like when we were kids all those years ago. Certain infringements of personal choice are definitely for the greater good; seatbelts, motor bike helmets and I'd agree with cycling helmets. I'd also go so far as to suggest cyclist have insurance like motorised road users and that the duty to obey normal courtesies like not riding on pavements, not going through red lights and obeying one way signage were also enforced. Our freedoms go hand in hand with our responsibilities.Old and Disgraceful well said you but you will always get 1, bet someone knows someone that has fell over hit there head and died , it isnt a common thing though is it I suppose its a freedom of choice on what you decide to do....same as i see motorcycleist not wearing protection etc etc other than an helmet by law you could ride ya bike wearing a mankini thank god jezza is not here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smilinjack 0 Posted August 2, 2012 Wiggo should stick to winning bike races and keep his sodding nose out of lawmaking. Another compulsion, another opportunity for PCNs and stiffing ppl for £60 or whatever. Here's one for you-when I was a MAG rep I read a TRL report which stated that 38% of pedestrians involved in collisions with vehicles were over the drink drive limit. When should we start breathalysing pedestrians? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davehutch-hutchs 0 Posted August 2, 2012 @smilinjack wrote:Wiggo should stick to winning bike races and keep his sodding nose out of lawmaking. Another compulsion, another opportunity for PCNs and stiffing ppl for £60 or whatever. Here's one for you-when I was a MAG rep I read a TRL report which stated that 38% of pedestrians involved in collisions with vehicles were over the drink drive limit. When should we start breathalysing pedestrians? like your way of thinking Alan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stue11 0 Posted August 2, 2012 @Davehutch wrote:@Stue11 wrote:@Davehutch wrote:@Stue11 wrote: well said you but you will always get 1, bet someone knows someone that has fell over hit there head and died , it isnt a common thing though is it I suppose its a freedom of choice on what you decide to do....same as i see motorcycleist not wearing protection etc etc other than an helmet by law you could ride ya bike wearing a mankini thank god jezza is not here more with that staement Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trebor4460 0 Posted August 2, 2012 @smilinjack wrote:Wiggo should stick to winning bike races and keep his sodding nose out of lawmaking. Another compulsion, another opportunity for PCNs and stiffing ppl for £60 or whatever. Here's one for you-when I was a MAG rep I read a TRL report which stated that 38% of pedestrians involved in collisions with vehicles were over the drink drive limit. When should we start breathalysing pedestrians? 100 % Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie 0 Posted August 2, 2012 @dick65 wrote:Bummer, whilst reading this I was thinking "I know what's gonna be my next thumbs up pic" but you beat me too it, although as I've downed a few Southern comforts in the last hour I was gonna pose myself Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stue11 0 Posted August 2, 2012 @Robbie wrote:@dick65 wrote:Bummer, whilst reading this I was thinking "I know what's gonna be my next thumbs up pic" but you beat me too it, although as I've downed a few Southern comforts in the last hour I was gonna pose myself Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oldfart 0 Posted August 2, 2012 "but you will always get 1, bet someone knows someone that has fell over hit there head and died , it isnt a common thing though is it " Yep, when I was seven my brother died at 21 riding in a time trial. He had a leather grass track helmet as proper helmets werent made then. But it was a rare accident Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadatious 0 Posted August 2, 2012 i used to wear one as a nkid, mum made me, saying that got to a point id go round the corner with it on and hide it in a neighbors bushes, great till she saw me at the coop i see the idea but i dont think ti should be forced. i think cyclists should have to do some sort of saftey test thou, or training as such. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BanditMike 0 Posted August 3, 2012 I agree with everything people have said on here, but the problem is enforcement. I was on a Speed Awareness course and asked the guy what happens if a pedestrian steps out in front of me in a car and I hit them? Would it be up to me to prove I was driving legally? Would the first question be, why didn't you take avoiding action? Surely the first question should be, why did the pedestrian step out in front of the car?I know it's a hypothetical question, but as I said to the guy on the course, the reason they chase the driver is because of the nice large ID plates on the vehicle. Makes us drivers, and bikers, a lot easier to catch that an idiot on a push-bike. Until people admit that alot of people on push-bikes and a lot of pedestrians are idiots, then we'll continue to have the same problems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ptolemyx 0 Posted August 3, 2012 It's not coming off a pushbike, which as Dave says can be akin to falling over on the pavement. It's the fact that cyclists, like us, SHOULD be on the road; together with lorries, busses, Volvo drivers, caravanners etc. I don't wear decent riding gear just because of what I might do - it's primarily to minimise the consequences of what others might do to me. Some people don't have the common sense to be reasonable in safety matters and we need legislation (that is enforced) to save society from their excessive foolhardiness.Old and Disgraceful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites