I have a question about a serious situation

[awesomegod16 0]

I have a question. It is a serious question. A friend of mine has always struggled with homosexuality. And she is a christian but has decided to go full into the Lord and committ her life to him and turn her back on that lifestyle. She wasn't totally apart of that lifestyle socially but still struggled with it. And some time ago, I would say about two years ago, she came in contact with another woman through another friend of hers. And this person didnt even live in the same state but she felt this connection with this woman. At first, she was thinking it was something of the Lord because they seem to hit it off really well and she liked this person. But afterwards it seemed to be somewhat of a sexual attraction. As she was with other people, she had to hide what she was feeling.
But again, since this other woman only came into town like once or twice a year, and it wasnt like she was seeing her, only if she got invited to this other person's home would she see this same woman. My friend kind of put it out of her mind.
Then again, my friend was invited to an outing where this same woman was there. And my friend cant even look this woman in the eye. She feels this strong bondage or something connected with this woman. And its bothering her. She wants to be free of this whatever it is. And I dont know how to help except to pray except it doesnt seem to work. The problem is, not that something will happen between them ( there is absolutely no way it ever will), but my friend wants to be set free from whatever is causing this problem.
My friend says it feels as if she is invaded whenever she is around this person, like her defenses have been stripped, like something inside is going on. Does anyone have any idea what is going on?

Blossom

[dreamster 0]

um definately a spiritual problem,,i wood say the outta twn woman has a spirit that is active in connecting wiv possable partners,,ive heard of that kinda thang happening ina group of ppl,,the same spirits atract,,,there isa soul tie of some kind,,pray 2 bind the strong man,, D hope this helps,,,

[awesomegod16 0]

so its a soul tie? same spirits as in two people having the same problem = spirit? is that what you are saying. like my friend and this other person has the same problem? would this happen if this person wasnt a christian? is it like someone saying like opposites attract or in this case spirits attract? not understanding this too much

blossom

[butterfly 0]

Hi Blossom. One of the reasons why some people struggle with homosexuality has to do with them not getting the adequate love and acceptance that they needed from both of their parents. For e.g if a girl did not receive adequate love and attention from her mom she might try to find that love and attention from another female. If a guy did not receive adequate love and attention from his dad he might try to find that love and attention from another male.


Three steps to help:

1. Having Christians interceding on your behalf.
2. Discovering the psychological, emotional and spiritual root of the problem and with God's help overcoming it.
3. Getting delivered from demonic spirits

[awesomegod16 0]

Thank you Butterfly for your words and also Dreamster.My friend has had this struggle for most of her life. It's really true that even when you become a christian you dont immediately have freedom but you still struggle. My friend had previously gone to her pastor and his wife and asked for help but I dont think they really know what to do with her.
and its a very long story. i know she tried counseling before but it was a dead end plus finding a christian counselor, shes been down that road before also. i think its just her and God now.

blossom

[butterfly 0]

You are welcome Blossom.

Molestation, the occult and pornography are also some of the reasons why persons may struggle with homosexuality.

[awesomegod16 0]

I wrote something in the thread on dreams about that a little about being molested. but yes to the abuse, the occult her, and yes to all three. thats a long story about her background. will write more later

blossom

[awesomegod16 0]

background is: grew up in foster family. was victim of abuse by both sexes. found out info about birth family. interesting thing is when she was prayed for the issue of witchcraft came up. when she was a teen she had an interest in the occult. its such a long story.
i wonder if this other woman that she has the problem with, has an contact with the occult? that might explain my friends problem. its hard to try to explain all of it from my friends point of view.
MF= my friends parents: they were older couple, had their own biological kids. MF was one of several kids coming and going out of home. Her foster dad was pretty strict. Her mom was strict too but not much affection I think.
She wasnt close to her mom but she felt that she had to take care of her mom, see to it that she was safe.

Its hard to explain seeing that things have gotten to the point where I guess she is having to deal with this alone. I could talk to her about it but its an issue that has been there for a while.

blossom

[True Flight 0]

I would put money on it, that the other person is or was a homosexual.
What the enemy is doing is whispering in her ear things like, "She is cute" and "I would like to get together with her".
The problem is she is believing the Lie's of the enemy. Instead of rebuking it she is dwelling on the words and the other person and she is making it worse.
It's not her lust but the enemy's attempt to destroy her.

She is not fighting it alone, she has your prayers that do work and she has Jesus who wont forsake her and she has her angles of protection.

Pray with authority, get mad at the enemy. Get real mad at him and tell him to get his hands off your friend.

Dreamster is right to, there are minor spirits that can attach them selves to us without us being aware. They hide very well but the light does expose them.

These demons are chased out by fasting and prayer. I believe praying in tongues is to be used in this type of fasting.

God has been recently giving me the details on this type of fasting and prayer and that is what I have been shown so far.

Fasting one meal a day should do it. I think a 3 day fast if she is up to it.

Once God delivers you, You are delivered.

Keep in mind your best council for her is just to listen. As she releases it as you listen, God will replace it with his Spirit.

I will stand in the gap believing she has the victory.

[awesomegod16 0]

I think I should tell you that in all honesty, the person that is my friend is me. I didnt want to say because I didnt know anyone here and I was afraid of not being accepted here.

blossom

[awesomegod16 0]

I didnt mean to mis lead anyone but its very hard to actually not be rejected by even christians about this problem. i am sorry if i have offended anyone.

blossom

[butterfly 0]

You don't have to be afraid of not being accepted here. We all love you and care for you. God loves you so much and cares for you. Don't make anybody tell you otherwise.

[True Flight 0]

Thats a good start at releasing that, I bet you feel better allready.

I dont think there is anyone going to reject you here. These are very mature in the Lord people, no mater how long they have served God the fruit is evident

[butterfly 0]

I am going to recommend a book for you to read. The name of the book is "Beauty for Ashes" by Joyce Meyer. Joyce was sexually abused by her dad and she showed how she was able to overcome that with the help of Jesus Christ and his word.

[awesomegod16 0]

thank you butterfly and everyone who has responded.
i really dont know how to thank you
.
i have read some books on this subject in the past but have not read Joyce's books.

blossom

[butterfly 0]

When a child is molested he/she becomes fractured mentally, emotionally and spiritually and sometimes it can affect their sexual identity.

Also what should be noted as well that demons can be transferred through sex or molestation. A molester might have a demonic spirit operating in them and their victim also is affected by that same spirit who overtime leads that person to other sexual relationships which makes their situation much worst.

The Occult

In the Old Testament the bible states that the sins of the forefathers fall to the second and third generations. When a person is involved in the occult it affects their future generation if they don't repent and accept Jesus Christ as their personal saviour. Sometimes people deep into the occult have sex with other occultists so therefore demonic spirits get transferred from one person to another because of sex. Or some occultists like some non occultists have sex with various persons and demonic spirits get transferred. When that person involved in the occult dies the demon can be transferred to their children, their grandchildren and perhaps other family members as well.

[awesomegod16 0]

I sent you a PM about some things you sent to me.

blossom

[dreamster 0]

um uve done very well blossom,,and i think ur site name is quite appropriate 4 u..as the lord does his deep work in ur life u will blossom..im sad ur pasta wasnt able 2 help u ,,,a lotta pastas arnt equipped 4 this type of ministry, um ur on the upward path,,,be patiant wiv urself,,love urself and 4giveurself,,,jesus has paid the price 4 every thing we hav done past ,present an future,, hes not freakin out even if his body does,, :eek: :eek: ther is more grace than u will ever need ok.swerety,, only by grace can we enter,,only by grace can we stand,, hope this helps a little wer here 4 u '' all 4 one'' D

[Dove-Solutions 0]

Dreamster is so right here. Many pastors are not equipped for this type of ministry. This is something that I struggle with in my church.....I mention demons and these people don't have a clue what I am talking about. I am grateful that my pastor understands the ministry. He supports me doing the ministry but not being involved himself. I do deliverance ministry Monday evenings at an church downtown. It is so rewarding to see people free!

Will keep you in prayer,

Connie

[awesomegod16 0]

its okay about them not really wanting to do deliverance or not being able. i just believe God has someone out there or maybe He himself will help me. i dont believe he brought me this far to leave me and abandon me.
i dont know why i believe this now but i do.
blossom

[Dove-Solutions 0]

I sent you an email blossom.

Love in Jesus,

Connie

[dreamster 0]

god cannot abbandon u,, ur his treasure,,,he will start and complete the work in u ,,,christ in u tha hope of glory,,, u will make it tru,, D

[Cholette 0]

Preach Pastor Dreamsta!!!!!!

[dreamster 0]

ohh lordy sweety,,if i do that ,,u mite have 2 take up an offering sweety,, :crazy: :thankyou: :thankyou: [ cash,cheques,creditcards r welkome]....

[Guest Guest]

I haven't read anyone else's response yet because I don't want to be swayed by it before I comment on what came up in my heart. It sounds to me like the woman your friend is having a problem with has a seducing spirit operating in her life and it very well may be geared towards women or even both men and women. Because your friend already has a weakness in this area this spirit likely recognizes that weakness and is attacking your friend through this woman. Obviously your friend is going to have to continue to make good choices. But, she has authority over the spirit that's operating in the life of this other woman and can bind it up and stand against it spiritually without ever needing to be in the woman's presence. I've heard of similar things like this happening with some of my friends. It has been a spiritual battle, but the battle was won and victory was obtained and the "attacks" have stopped. I hope this helps!

[awesomegod16 0]

what I wanted to say is that this woman came over wednesday with another one of judy's friends to celebrate judy's birthday. i didnt know that she would be coming over, there was a chance that i would have seen her while she is here. i dont even know if this woman knows what is actually going on in her own heart. she says she is a christian so I dont know. I do know that I felt uncomfortable around her still even though I had been praying about this and wanting freedom from this.
i kind of understand what you said Sandra, that's why I said perhaps this woman doesnt even realize the affect she is having on me ( I am sure the evil spirits know). I don't like feeling like I do. I still had a hard time looking at her although it was not like it was before. Like I said I don't even know if this woman realizes what is going on in her life at all.

blossom

[str82heart 0]

Hi Blossom!

Thank you for being honest and sharing! I agree that what you are dealing with is rooted in the supernatural and does affect your emotions. I also wonder if you are starving to be loved. I am sending you a website that may be of encouragement to you. Please know that you are not alone in this battle and that you CAN and WILL overcome, Amen?

Please do continue to keep us posted as we love you unconditionally. :bighug:

http://www.exodus-international.org/

[awesomegod16 0]

i am familiar with exodus international as they are on my bookmark. thanks for the encouragement/

blossom

[Christa 0]

Blossom, Joyce Meyer is a rad woman, get her cd's and read her books.

I'll tell you something a little about me....that same piece of crap thing (homosexual whatever in hell it is) has been a constant in my spiritual warfare. My dad is verbally abusive towards me (still to this day), never physically abusive. His dad was verbally and physically abusive towards him. These spirits will pass down the bloodlines if they're not stopped. I have a daughter that I pray for all of the time that she will not have this spirit attack her. Pornography, occult...I've been there and done that too.

Blossom, sometimes, this thing will get me in my dreams as I'm sleeping. It'll stick a girl in my dreams and the next thing you know, it's on. It has even brought people to me....I've lost many friends because I've actually had to say "no" to their advances, or I've abandoned the friendship because I knew they were under the influence of that spirit.

It's embarassing and it's almost useless going to a regular counselor about it because they'll tell you to give in to your desires because you were born gay, etc.

This is what I suggest (and I'm going to do this for myself, because actually, your story made me realize that this is a bigger issue in me than I recognized before): There are many churches that offer "healing rooms," I've been to them before for other things. They cast off all sorts of hellish things that attack people. A homosexual spirit is no exception. I know that some of the Vineyard churches have them. If you don't have a healing room in your area, call up some churches and ask if they cast out spirits. If they say, "no" or if they give you an answer that shows you they're shaky on the subject, then go to the next. Pentacostal churches may be a source.

Immediate suggestion: Get a bunch of Christian CD's, whatever kind you like and inundate your brain with God and His Word. Everytime you get a thought, "Resist the devil and he must flee," turn on one of those CD's and go do the dishes, sweep the floor, get on the treadmill.Or go for a walk with an ipod full of Christian music or Christian message downloads (Joel Osteen has free ones, most TV preachers do).

I had to realize that my Heavenly Father is the perfect father figure for me. Jesus is our husband, our lover, our savior, our comforter, our redeemer, our parent, and a friend that sticks close than a brother. He is our everything. For many years I thought God was a tyrant because my earthly father is. God is so the opposite. "It His KINDNESS, (not his mighty might) that brings us to repentance." He is kind, He's our dad, He's the King of Kings, and we are the King's kids. Remind that nasty spirit of that every time he enters. Like True Flight said in the above response, "He stands in the gap"...so there is no gap anymore.

I know you're going to get rid of this thing because everyone on this page is binding the devil on your behalf right now. I plead the blood of Jesus over you right now. I ask Jesus that the anointing will fall so heavily on you right at this moment that you will feel God's saturating love and joy come upon you like a warm fuzzy blanket and sink deep within your soul like an ointment from the heavens healing and mending you. You are blessed and not cursed. The enemy has no place in your life because you're a child of the Most High God. You are a blessed child of the King, you're our sister in Christ, and you have a mighty purpose that only you can fulfill for the Lord.

He says, "If you love me, you will feed my sheep." He loves his sheep, He is the Good Shephard...He laid down His life for His sheep. You're going to help someone, maybe many people, someday with this exact same thing. It may be your calling. Find other people online who have been delivered from this. Get prepared, because God wants to help a lot of people through you. You are so precious. Thank you so much for sharing with us about your struggle. God bless you and protect you sister, we love you and appreciate you!

[Heleadsme 0]

Hello Blossom,
I had taken some training on deliverance...and one thing one of the teachers had said was...there are no homosexual spirits...people get the opposite gendered spirits in them and think they are then homosexual.
Like...a woman can have a male spirit sort of thing.
It was funny because my friend I went there with...told me she knew she had picked up a male spirit because she found herself being attracted to a woman at her job.
I am wondering if the Lord is teaching you about these types of things in the season your in.
Just now that it's not you!!! But observe what is going on and do take it all to the Lord in prayer...tell him you don't want this and to take it from you! Tell him you are sorry if you have opened the doors to this yourself somehow unknowingly...
Perhaps the Lord plans to use you to minister to others who have the same types of things going on once your set free from it.
Until then, I would stay away from that woman and work not to give place to it which it seems you are already doing.
I think you are doing the right thing by being vulnerable and transparent in your sharing. Sometimes the devil gets more ground if things are kept hidden.
Hope this helps somehow...

[Dove-Solutions 0]

I just want to make sure you understand that there are many spirits that are involved here. They seem similar but
have different attack methods and functions.

INCUBI - Demonic sexual attacks on females; may be caused by sexual
sins, witchcraft spells, curses of lust, inherited curses, can attack children

SUCCUBI - demonic sexual attacks on males, may be caused by the same as Incubi above

These two spirits above usually attack a person and pin them down while they sleep.

HOMOSEXUAL: This usually occurs after a traumatic experience as a child such as rape, abuse and/or molestation.

Amnon - The Spirit of Lust.
Jezebel - The Spirit of Seduction and Control
Mammon - The Spirit of Addiction to Wealth
Pharisees - The Spirit of Religiosity
World - The Spirit of Slavery and Fear

(these spirits work in conjunction with one another and all function under the strongman spirit of Homosexuality)

These spirits above are spirits of the flesh and happen at any time. The above situations in a persons life can be the door opener for these spirits. Another spirit that will attach itself here is a self defense mechanism spirit which is how the child will defend itself. They will tell the child it cannot be hurt anymore but will really be a lie program deceiving the child into thinking they are protecting them.

I pray this is of some help.

Love in Jesus,

Connie

[dreamster 0]

hmmm interesting connie,,,the addiktion 2 wealth,,,ihada frend who is that way,,driven,,a slave 2 work.. awful 2 see,,,

[HisLightbeam 0]

Oh, blossom, my heart goes out to you. My foster daughter had the same things occur with her. Days go by that I pray for her. And let me tell you something. God loves us all. We are all God's people. The next level would be to become a child of the Lord, which you have done. It does not mean that you will not struggle. Until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. We are in a fight for our lives everyday. It never gets easy. We are soldiers in the army of the Lord. Except that we fight with the word of God. You were formerly one thing, but now you are a new creature. The enemy is trying to appeal to your flesh, because your spirit is now a different spirit. He doesn't care if you succumb to temptation - except to have it hurt your witness - but he wants you to fall under condemnation so that you feel that you are not under God's loving protection.

[awesomegod16 0]

thank you for all of your responses
when i was in college i had a friend who was a homosexual but it didnt bother me. i was just newly saved and was busy witnessing to her. some how or some time, this thing began to like hound me or if it was a spirit, come after me because there were women in the dorms that were acting out and i would see them, perhaps it caused me to want that lifestyle. but i know for a fact that two sisters in my family are that way also. i was thinking more of like Connie said' some generational curses', because I have been told I have a curse on me from some way back generations, and it was 1. so i no one in our line would accept christ 2. on the finances, and i cant remember the third one. but one thing i do know, there is occult stuff in my ancestry that i got interested in as teen and dabbled and also was abused. i dont know if being abused by a woman makes that spirit come on a person? anyway i am recuperating from surgery now, God has been extremely faithful to me in my progress and healing of my body. I just wanted to thank him

blossom

[Heleadsme 0]

Blossom,
I don't know everything but have had some experiences with things the Lord taught me...

I would say "YES"...a spirit can transfer through being abused.

I am glad the Lord is unraveling all of this for you and teaching you in the process...

Father I pray for complete healing now and quick recovery from this surgery...in Jesus name I pray, amen!

[Jodi 0]

I'm glad you trusted us enough to talk openly. God does love you and so do we as His people. I have heard a little bit about spirits which occultic people use to draw people to them. Is it possible that the woman who seems to pull your attention to her is using an evil spirit to attract/ lure you? I don't know much about this, but I think that if I mention it maybe someone else who has more information about it might be able to teach you how to defend yourself against it. Praying for God to reveal such a spirit so you recognise it might be a place to start. Ask the Holy Spirit to teach you how to reject such a spirit in Jesus' name. I hope this helps.

[awesomegod16 0]

thank you Jodi for responding to this post. its been here for a long time now. i dont know as i have gotten any more insight into it but what you said does make sense about the spirit thing. i do know that since i have been home recuping she has sent me a card and expresses a wish to see me. maybe its just me and not her at all. she is a christian so maybe all of this is just my fault and stems from me instead of her. then i am the one throwing out signals and she has a pure heart in all of this. that could be it.
i guess its easier to believe.

blossom

[newleaf 0]

No struggle with any sin is worse than any other. We are not here to judge each other only encourage and pray for each other.May God lead and bless you.
They overcame by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony.

[dreamster 0]

um blossom is it possable 2 ask this woman if she feels something 4 u,,then u can sort it out,,,then u will kno either way,,then u kood say 2 her wat u r experianceing,,justa thought,, D

[awesomegod16 0]

dreamster,
I think i will do that. i could write her and ask her some questions. thanks for the input.

blossom

[awesomegod16 0]

just an update on this situation... i didnt contact that lady as i thought it would not be in my best interest nor hers even if she felt like that, there was nothing i would do about it.
i think i kind of understand what someone wrote about spirits being involved. i ve since been praying that the Lord would actually become the Lord of my life. He has been helping me a little at a time. I have not had deliverance nor have I went to counseling. I will leave that up to the Lord if that's what he wants. But I'm like totally throwing myself on his mercy at this point.
And I am just praying for godly wisdom and understanding.

blossom

[Dove-Solutions 0]

Hey Blossom,

Yes spirits can transfer from abuse.

Love in Jesus,

Connie

[awesomegod16 0]

So, if a person becomes a christ follower, and they were abused as a child, and there are spirits, then are those spirits still in the person? what about people who are apart of cults and covens, and you grow up in one. and then, they purposely abuse you so they can open you up to spirits? then if you want to follow christ, are those spirits still there? and what control or neither do they have on a person's life? as far as steering them in a certain way or direction and away from God? are the spirits that transfer through abuse, is that just a result of the abuse, spirits transferring? and what about fragmented parts of one's souls?


blossom

[Cholette 0]

i ve since been praying that the Lord would actually become the Lord of my life. He has been helping me a little at a time.

Blossom, I'm so proud of YOU!!!

[Guest Guest]

if she came to the Lord..she cleaned her house meaning her spiritual house her body..the Demons dwelling in there can not cohabite with the spirit of God.
They leave and wonder for some time..and because of this they decide to gather others spirits so they can occupy that house again.
now..how these is manifested with a temptation..remember in her mind there is a record still of that Sin..that is the Door that remains open and need to be close.
how Cast down all the toughts that don't agree with the word of God..
Simple the devil uses images and entertain you with them and inmediatly he make the suggestion..to rebel or sin..and bring that record that still attach with feelings..becuse of our sinful nature..
that is why fasting is so neccesaraly these days..
Ii is so easy to be entangle in bondage but so hard to comeout..the road of recovery is not an easy one..
it will have a desert and many trials..
like the israelites when they left Egypt.
if you endure that you will be victory if not the Poster state of the person will be worst than the first one.
All is an illusion ...if you can put all your mind focus in to recognize the things that alter your senses and put you in an excited condition..if you can stand..Stand if not Flee..like Jesus said..rush to his arms and you will be safe..
He is using the past ..to keep her captive.
Fast and pray but do not do tis by yourself..
These demon incubus is very crafty..and like a cat never shows himself in the open..it blends himself well.
Take her to church so prayers warriors can deliver her.
Also tell her every morning to do communion...just get bread and grape juice or some kosher wine
and do what Jesus told us to do in his memory..
She needs to equipped herself well after a demon of that hierarchy has been cast out..
They suffer ..and they are many..

[awesomegod16 0]

mbstudent,
are you talking about me? cause i ask these questions about some situations i am going through about all this stuff. its too difficult to understand but tormenting to experience. and no i dont have any one at all at church who is willing to help me. i ve been there done that. all have turned away from me, and i mean ALL. the only ones who will help me are the ones who are telling me stuff about ritualistic abuse and all that, that frankly i do not want to hear.
when i try to go towards the Lord, it seems all this stuff always stands in the way. i guess i will have to go it alone. thank you for your words.

blossom

[Guest Guest]

No sister God Forbid..
I just wanted to give you the inside how the enemy operates
so to prevent you in engaging in a warfare with devastating consequences for you.
I understand your point ..I did not mean to offend you
There is nothing wrong..if they are christians and leave you alone..it is because love does not dwell in them..
Only a broken hearted person will really understand the meaning of Mercy.
Take Courage Jesus will never give up on your friend.

[awesomegod16 0]

no mbstudent,
its not you that i say that about. what you said to me was great. its other people, the ones who wont help me because they just dont want to for some reason, maybe they are afraid.

blossom

[Jadams 0]

Are you speaking of people here? I've read this forum and you have received some great help here.

[awesomegod16 0]

no not here on this forum i m speaking about where i live. i cant be speaking about people here because they have been helpful. thats why i clarified what i said to mbstudent. i wasnt coming down on what he said it just made me think of another situation.

blossom