Very true Dave, a lad that works for me lost his dad saturday morning, heart attack also we believe to make matters worse though his uncle and aunty died also all in the last 6 month poor buggas had it tough my m8's son rang me to tell me, but had to cut the call short because he was upset, I rang round a few to tell them and one of my m8's said he had only just had a call to say another one of our m8's had just died too poor buggas i know its life but its always horrible to hear of someones loss