undercoverbrother

Heya homie panjang i think you very slightly misinterpreted what she said or maybe on her part. Agree with with what her said.. but there's two different things i think u got it mixed cause assortments is how the cars are packed (sort of 'distributed in that particular case), while the word distribution itself is the transit of all the cases to all the stores. So what she said is all correct i)they have no hands in the car assortments (like trying to skip blimp) ii) and they can only take and distribute what they receive. But the word 'totally random' you used i believe she meant it by cases they be getting and distributing, meaning distributor won't be able request "i want to distribute wave AAA", basically the point number ii above. Not totally random packing as you suggested cause there's no such case as 'rojak case'. Furthemore you confirmed Mattel HQ is the real in charge of what's happening inside factory so no i don't think HQ will get them to 'sumbat whatever cars they wished'. The cases are unique, they could be 'random' in certain way but still within that 'system'. Anyway since undercover's back, this is one cool thing to write panjang panjang lol, guess i'll take this to start my 'blog' in my thread hehe..

Chapter I - System of a Down! Actually i would say there isn't any system to pack cars in a box. Most of you would love to believe that a specific amount of cars are packed in a box don't ya? hahaha. There "might" have been a system few years ago. It has degraded since. I would love for them to rojak everything and then see who gets what. hahah. Whud up all tha Hotwheels hustlas! Okay. I'll try to share some pointers for those still curious about this assortments discussions. It's all cool though if some might not agree with it The fact is, yes the system is there. Else the stamped case code wouldn't be there at first place. If you ask most collectors they would pay attention on that first of the three letters to figure out the wave, but fyi even difference in next 2 letters could give a hint for things like whether a Mustang GT reg comes with 4 or 2 stripes. Only if boardies paid attention Demonicle too has pointed out in one of his thread about how that small code stamped on top of each card gives a hint the case assortments they belong to. As or treasure hunts, i've stressed out before that the randomness itself is part of the system i.e "this guy checked 50 cases worth and found zero super" (assuming all cases are fresh) and "that guy could score 5 supers in like 5 cases worth". Also what collectors refer to as 'dead case' meaning legit case with zero t-hunt (even reg) is also part of the system not only here but worldwide oversea collectors could confirm this, mattel definitely has knowledge of what's out of their factory. Just to dispel certain belief that "whenever i saw new stock with missing hunts it's definitely hoarded". Example for here is 07's Cadillac V-16 and 08's Drift King (which later on we learned about 'reg wave' and 'super wave'). Regarding the assortments, a shortpacked models is, still shortpacked models. Period. But the problem is, some might confused it with cars that is seemingly shortpacked but Mattel also have allocated them for future waves as well (e.g black FXX), only going through few waves we can be assured which are meant to be on limited run, but some obvious model (especially heavy ones) collectors rather not pass on it (whether they really dig that car or for 'other purpose' that i leave it to them). So if we encounter 'strange assortments' we might actually be seeing different waves altogether. I myself could not fully memorize Qombee-Camaro-Bagger wave as they're pretty similar. But in the end if i really pay attention yes, they are in their own respective wave, i.e among all 3 wave green La Troca were only in Bad Bagger TH wave. More on that strange assortments. Firstly it's very normal practice during year transition for Hotwheels to mix different year models in single case again not only Malaysia but worldwide. That new year models could appear in late of previous year or the other way round, to make even more complicated not only the card design get swapped, same model even appeared in BOTH year's card (i.e WWE Impala, Hummer TH , Pit Cruiser TH and Dairy Delivery TH all exist in '06 and striped '07 card). In the end they're all still part of that 'system' but i also have to agree with you guys, very pening. Just like when T-Hunt's order used to be 1,2,3..12 but last year it's all jumbled up.. another twisted but still, a system by our beloved Mattel, definitely not the kakak kilang being the culprit for that to happen straight whole year. In other words, the problem ain't all due to 'system or no-system' they can have whatever assortment tactics they want. But it doesn't end here. So, "what is going on?" I think i have shared here before, i was reliably informed (me not involved with Mattel anyway lol) that what we're facing now is the case of unfinished cases of last year. Please don't be confused how Mattel HQ assorts individual cars, or concern on which party dictates it whether US Mattel, Asia or akak kilang and all that is not the main point, cause cases during year transition by nature memang mixed (as in new year-previous year combination, not refering to 'rojak packing' some might assumed), Americans scored Qombee in actual '09 case too. And bout that 'sought after-ugly' cars thingy i won't repeat much bout it again cause it's to do with assortments when our real problem is more to do with distribution, more on that later. As far as assorments is concerned every wave is 'balanced' in way only Mattel knows with rarity (no matter cantik or ugly) being part of their game. If we are tortured with lack of Skyline TH (sorry i had to use t-hunt example again lol) here, somewhere else could be getting it massively but.. the other side too are being 'screwed' the other way round like how Canadians desperately looking for Road Runner unlike us. Anyway save that "i still say it's unbalanced, why Mattel won't understand us" conversation first, so back to the what i'm trying to say.. the bottom line is last year our market 'screwed up' in sense of stocks allocated for year '08 is far from finished, so automatically what we should be getting within last year is dragged to present time, it's just that. Naturally a new stock would appear once older ones done, but that would then take forever and we'll be annoyed and yes Mattel knows that too. So the real '09 wave (Bad Bagger, Motorhome) is being thrown together so we got now is 4+2 of different waves (if you count DK and Angels as well) around same time. And with particular models appeared in this and that wave it's not surprising we get an impression the cars isn't 'properly assorted' at all. Plus every 7E stores did not receive a full case worth so they were 'reassorted' beforehand (obviously cause they need to divide them out first) and it's known hypermarkets also sometimes pack up and ship their pegwarmers to next branch.. making this whole thingy sound even more complicated. So.. if we track down reason hardly we could get what we want, it's mainly due to waves throughout the year didn't get to rotate smoothly. it's the distribution problem we're facing. This store shouldn't get this much but they did (furthermore all the same cars), that store never receive at all, etc. And yes it's true if we analyze deeper the seemingly slow stocks it's what you guys been mentioning, the car assortments itself to do with it. However by common sense even if let's say this wave consist of half Ferraris, heavy cars and, 5 T-Hunts but the distribution side (whether it's factory, warehouse or vendor's fault) got the exact cases being repeated all over place, or did not restock at all.. we can laugh these nasty scalpers wont be bothered to hunt down the greens anymore but at same time no point for us too to buy more than one, causing wave to hardly rotate. Then the next wave (also with another 5 T-Hunts plus every 'genuine' cars that sure to make 'genuine collectors' tegang) could not even occupy the still packed shelves, and by the time the '3rd wave' (this time with bonus 10 T-Hunts plus finest kiddie selections sure to make kids have to be dragged out the store) is ready, it's already too late we gotta mix everything up on shelves.. and what we got here is both 'genuine collector' and his child crying side by side it's no longer their field day (and maybe hoarder hiding behind there crying as well cause he can't make money this month..). Plus our neighbouring countries already enjoyed 4th and 5th wave that consist of real cash money and bling blings to replace t-hunt$, and we're still lagging behind. Well, perhaps it's not all about distributions, you know.. the world economy right now have something to do with it as well right, lol. But whatever it is back to issue of bad assortments thingy i still believe Mattel does see the bigger picture and know how to play their mainline cars well. It's just certain things they can't avoid (like increasing the price) that affects us all. Heck even Treasure Hunts could be just anything even ugly ones too, and they'll never last long on pegs hehe. Not to say we shouldn't advise Mattel, maybe you guys can provide them some input but maybe not a specific demand. As for pegwarmers like FE Qombees and Blimps that further proves you guys point, yeah they're way overflooded, they should have cut down production of lame design greatly, better yet make a t-hunt. Wait, they did and now everyone is flashing their 'hard earned' Super Qombees.. yeah Mattel pwned us again lol. Now can you guys see why the 'hype' is needed even it sounds like 'betraying passionate genuine hw collectors'? Actually Hotwheels didn't, if they do hwc.com won't even exist, they won't come out with whole range of real collectors line for real collectors to focus on, Redline anyone? So if i were to represent the 'real collectors' out there, rather than strong petition on mainlines why don't just force Mattel to bring 'the real' Hotwheels line here! Hmm i guess their reply definitely sound something like "Well we tried before, but our market not ready yet..etc etc" So are you guys unhappy? Then convince them! Build stronger local fanbase of hotwheels collectors maybe they would bring little by little, good enough to distract from 'rm6.50 bad packings' unhappiness! But then.. why the need of stronger community anyway, you guys are just giving more names to those 'HWCM reg DK sculpers', who knows they're working on next darker plot to sculp Redline Exclusives too.. Haha.. Anyway back to our 'systematic' talk, before i end this first chapter here's some spiritual 'be positive' stuff for y'all.. As for frustrations of "anything shortpacked definitely will be hoarded" well it's not purely 'shortpacked factor' to blamed for as i could name many more models that came once and gone but you don't see people holding 10pcs of it. The first step is to be calm and try to get clearer picture the status of it, is it really not gonna come out again in other wave, or is that same wave you're seeing is just a teaser as nowhere else got it yet, this is the importance of studying the overall wave out there (and that's what HWCM for). Just for example i'm one of few here who owned FTE TV batmobile right now, and others don't have it. Thanks to me hoarding it? Well i only have 1 piece of it and the reason for seemingly vhtf merely because GMC Motorhome wave (where the batmobile is) is still very few out there, even if i wish to buy and scalp 10 pcs 2 is the most i could come across. So yes, things aren't always as bad as we keep telling ourselves, if you get whole idea of it. But while Motorhome wave is still kering anywhere now turns out a random boardie here (i use the word 'random' to avoid another hwcm cronnies speculations) spotted particular outlet receive stocks like a pallete of it, and that's the importance of keeping in touch with each other, for those who really need that batmobile as well can now locate and get it (if it's a taboo getting that boardie help buy for you cause it's considered as hoarding as well) Or, We could just be cool and wait for more of that Motorhome wave to fully hit the market, hopefully, for everyone to get their own chance. Again importance of keeping in touch ..otherwise when every boardie learned about it, starts clearing it before ya and.. more frustrations. I'll share a lil' story.. mid of last year while everyone still suffering from 'Chrysler overdose' a new t-hunt popped out of nowhere, that is Dodge Viper TH. But only in Tesco. And.. damn, they disappeared. While some might want start petition to burn scalper alive and all that what they might not be aware of is that culprit named 'Tataka' (not his real name) is just being lucky and he's helping us all with his 'hoarded' Dodge Viper regs. While people could still argue bout Tataka's action til no end eventually Dodge Viper wave made it's REAL hit to almost entirely 7E's out there and everyone came back smiling. Moral of the story, you figure it out. ..but understandable not every wave is Dodge Viper wave. So what if you really miss this particular model (whether it's th or non-th). As i said for 56th time, the key is to just chill. Is it not normal for us to have good and bad day, even that dude undercoverbrother his Bad Bagger TH score count is zero still, though the wave is quite a lot out there (but he managed to get it from trade, thanks to some previous hunts extras that he.. 'hoarded' before). Under certain circumstances when something is really wrong (i.e Solid Snake and his Kota Kinabalu case), yes, we got to bring it out, fight individuals responsible (only if they're proven guilty) and all. But only if we truly understand the scene it's not all about them, nothing but scalpers (not defending them anyway) and Mattel's (through their hotwheels assortments) fault! So good luck, have a nice day and apologies for using too much of T-Hunts examples (i'm not actually writing about T-Hunts subject lol). Happy Haulin'!

It's all cool dude. Feel free to write anything you wish to share, collectors opinion differs there's nothing wrong with that. It's flaming that we try to avoid

jt? not sure which you refering to, if you mean the small tampo thingy, mine is black one not orange.

Okay, 1 pc available but only looking for Corvette C6R TH. Yes it's carded. Meetup only in Subang Jaya - Shah Alam area. Thank you.

Wow.. great to read all of this. This is what i always hoped that playaz here would share it out whatever they been keeping inside Sometimes like i said things could turn out not as bad as what we always believe, nonetheless there are things that can't be avoided and we are definitely upset over it, and it's all cool we'll keep discussing about it and hopefully something could be done to overcome the issues especially this real insider thingy, (not to be confused with staff that some collectors might be in touch with, the hunts not necessarily goes to them anyway). Yes, it is depressing and i truly understand it. I guess some would have suggest i'm a hypocrite by saying this cause apparently they 'know very well' about me but truth isn't so, else i would have just sit at home waiting for 't-hunts call', wouldn't have busted my ass hitting everywhere just as pydrummer did. But looking at bigger perspective, just like what Rayz trying to say, no matter how insiders exist.. and chances are their regulars are none other than those we know. But instead of distancing myself like what netmarix did, i tend approach all collectors i get to know regardless their so called background, maintaining friendship cause after all we share the same hobby, and along the way gather much infos to organize my hunting route better (like figuring out places where i should try less often). But yes, when things aren't looking good like our chance to score hunts anywhere completely sealed off then something must be done, regardless how familiar the culprit in this community. In Solid Snake and other KK playaz case.. i say bring them down!

Won't post it here but anyone welcomed to pm me for msn..

I think answers like these will make playaz like my homie netmatrix look at us one kind hehe.. Okay, no doubt large part of HWCM people here are into sort of 'valuable' cars, especially them 'greens'.. we hoard, we buy duplicates, etc. But truth is, while the way lots of collectors here seem to do is pretty arguable, actually that's not what collecting hotwheels is all about, and certainly we doesn't want it to be the only thing HWCM is known for. These greens and other hoarding things maybe i'll share my views more bout it some other time. So back to what thread starter originally asked, since you're very new in this i think the question should be just "what should i collect" not "what is 'valuable' to collect", not because collecting valuable stuff is wrong but it's pretty subjective, and if you interpret this line wrongly pretty easy for all sorts of speculations and accusations to come out soon. Like me, as most of you all know my collections are mainly t-hunts, yeah those greens people been talking about. How i started this collection is accidental actually, no idea how controversial this green thingy is.. but since i'm a completist, i like to collect stuff within a range cause they look great when you get to complete and display altogether, and knowing they're indeed 'rare' is just additional point to it. Of course it's natural for someone to be proud of their rare belongings, and likely these stuff would fetch high value in the market. Mattel is smart enough to recognize this which is why they been 'fooling us' by releasing these hunts and other short run cars out there. So yes, it's valuable if that's what you gonna call it, but if people only see it through 'reselling value' perspective personally i felt this isn't how it should be, it would offend those 'passionate, genuine collectors' out there (another subjective thing, cause i just don't know who deserves such title anyway), and would get even uglier when two parties start to flame each other over stuff appeared to be scalped. Unfortunately HWCM too is taking the bullets for these kind of issues.. definitely wish i could change these negative perceptions. But nvm we'll take our time. So "what should i collect"? Pretty simple.. what you really into. If you still can't figure out, as you could see members here do, you could build your collection in many different style! You could go for type of cars (concept cars, muscle cars, japanese, etc), or specific company (Ferrari, VW, etc), or specific model (Dairy Delivery, Purple Passion, etc), or sidelining mainline basic cars and go for whatever 'higher end' of hotwheels product (you'll be spending alot on ebay), or simply buy any model with same color (black, red, chrome etc), or error cars (factory defects), or.. whatever category you wanna create on your own (cars with flame tampos, heavy cars, etc) . As long as they fit in same range they'll definitely look great when you display them. You can have variety of collections but trust me narrower specs will always do the trick. I've seen countless of energetic new collector hauling madly here and there, and eventually clearing more than half of it (that's still alright, but some too burned out they just quit hotwheels altogether). So go have soul searching, do some spiritual meditations and figure out what's best, and possible within ya wallet thickness! You may want to try t-hunts too, but don't blame us when you failed and then point the finger at us separuh mati hunters!

Sinclair, addrick, art anime and few other playaz here mempunyai tahap kesedaran sivik yang tinggi!

share sum poisonous stuff for you guys

ugpm!

updated list of 7E's with hunts for you guys to grab.. (other playaz are welcomed to contribute here!)

Really miss those days when Atria mall in its full glory. Last time there was this very happening always crowded Tamiya shop i would go there every week to play the mini 4WD on huge track they put. Then when i grew up older and getting into Tamiya RC the shop seems to move to one isolated corner in Atria and they start selling pet hamsters too.. that's when i figure out things not really doing good not only that shop but the whole Atria..

Adik-adik mari abang Undercoverbrother bagi sedikit tips! Just kaler whole thing using grey color pencil, and tulis kat situ "ini zamac". Definite WIN.

i thought you got Super Camaro edi? Know what, lol i was this close in completing my 2008 Supers! scored reg Camaro somewhere and someoe came the next day happened the store brought out few more cases and he scored Super Camaro (not pydrummer btw)! Nemind the Camaro round ain't over yet hehe..

My view on Seremban, screw the taxi drivers there! One time i saja went there by train, went hunting at Tesco so we tahan cab to find Jusco, got charged pretty pricey but didn't know Jusco is so near!

Spoiler: Aight here's few pointers that undercover would love to share for those who basically targeting for greens. (whatever the purpose i leave it to you guys).. 1) Don't be surprised if 7e race has begun days before the promotion starts. Please be positive, it wasn't all about 'those scalpers' or 'those ppl who think they represent a club'.. but ALL of us, especially when our homeboi sweetmuffinz alerted us all about sales, thanks for that! You guys know who you are, it's all cool.. great minds think alike. 2) 30? 50? 100? Okay these numbers of 'outlet raided' suggested how hardcore certain playaz tried for the sake of scoring more Supers, but listen carefully.. these in no way kill off other collectors chance to taste their own hunts (refering to those in the race, not ones who hit like months later). And i can explain more on this... 3) Statitiscally, there's close to 900 7E's out there, and this is before 7e feels they can't getenough out of it and decided launch more outlets here and there last year. Even if all hard hunters combined it's just not possible cover even half of it. 4) As muffinz mentioned, deliveries starts 2-3 days prior to promotion and and let's say some one set to try 30 stores. One, not necessarily all can be done in a day, and two, doesn't mean entire stores they visited was success for that day (in term of getting to go through new stuff, not refering to t-hunt score). I come, "belum sampai, belum boleh display, etc", and the next day random dude walk in to buy roti and found Super on peg. It happens all the time and it's all cool! And i can tell even the most pro 7E'ers can't locate entirely places in their hit list (unless they're holding 7E roadmap), so yes, some 7E's definitely remains untouched rest of the year! 5) Treat your hunting as fun experience, "jauh perjalanan luas pemandangan" rather than desperation for greens, you will feel less pressured. I once tried to locate one 7E addressed in Port Klang, no single idea where it is, turned left Westport and over 20 mins drive sum dude told "Oh 7E yg itu on the way to Northport!" another long drive and.. "Ah hotwheels baru? takda lah!". But but you can actually see seaside with kapal lalu-lalang while hunting for hotwheels, not bad right? Okay specifically for this 7E rounds.. 1) I heard from updates sightings of different waves (Drift King, Angels, Bagger) but most of it supposed to be Super Qombee wave. What that means, the original cases may not even have reg (but yes you can still score reg qombee). So, 7e seems to be getting roughly half case (i did not calculate exact quantity).. and not every single Super Qombee wave comes with a Super (similar to Drift King th). Which means by the odds of it, this round is gonna be hard one and it's already expected that hard hunters too may not really 'wipe out' that amount of hunts by number of stores they went. So chances are the area (territory?) are actually untouched but just because some can't find single hunt in first few places they went, pretty quick to assume "no need to hunt lah whole area gone already". 2) So is the area indeed 'virgin'? Okay i would say the race gonna be very challenging especially when whole HWCM are up to it. You can shove 'real scalpers' aside. Yes hard hunters would still be hard hunters, but in hwcm spirit this time i'm sure playaz here knows their responsibility and offer best they could do.. in a way like updating each other, coordinating with close fellow collectors, left some in peg and let us know etc. For newcomers you guys are welcomed to ask around if your 'plans' could work, but i believe for hot spots especially in cities it's gonna be tough one. 3) Back then when every 7E's used to receive full case with hunts and with very few fellow hunters out there, we could actually hoarded them madly and just brought over to gath and let everyone get the regs at retail, did that before. But in the case of current 7E promo i guess you guys have to understand if playaz who made it manage their extras more strictly due to fewer hunts that they scored. I hope you guys understand about it. 4) Also would like to mention here that my friend who ain't really a regular hunter scored Super Drift King (yes, Drift King.. not Funny Car?) on peg in one of common 7E in Bangsar long before new 7E promo was announced. So guys, it's all about being positively minded and bit of luck in you, aight! Hope these helps, all the best! I'm out to hit more 7E's! What's up all that 7E pimps and hustlas! Heard news of playaz Super haul here and there.. awesomeness! Btw undercover too did his 7E hits on his own and result (as in right now) is 4 reg Qombee with 2 Super Qombee and 1 Super Drift King, wouldn't elaborate in details field report but enough to say the number outlets covered is huge! mainly targeting more one hulu ones while certain spots reserved for few forumers sekampung. Well hardhuntin' and sum coordination just means you're giving your best shot and increase the odds of scoring Super cause no one could be lucky all the time. And hearing news of other collectors too having scored a Super where we have tried once, twice that sums up what i always stress out, be positive! Yes, whichever area it is, lots of outlets that seemingly 'hunted' but no one actually know what they had, lots of 7E's did not even bring it out even when promotion already starts. Anyway, if that doesn't soothen things up.. okay only got myself 4 reg qombee cause with Super Qombee wave around and lesser hw quantity slimmer chance already expected even for regs. But tried my best to locate more and these are 5 outlets i found but left regs for you guys (they could be on peg or you guys gotta keep flirting the 7E kakak). Figure out where and move now! Reg Qombee -7E Section 2, Shah Alam -7E Bandar Puteri, Klang -7E Taman Sri Andalas, Klang -7E Lebuh Turi Taman Chi Lung, Klang Reg Drift King -7E Taman Sungai Kapar Indah, Klang Will update more from other territories i gonna give a try soon. And sorry unlikely that i would list Camaro, Bagger, Motorhome regs as i myself short of them. All the best!

For raped loose Supers I'm using something similar to the 1st pic (or the same?) to display them, Epoch w300s display case. Couldn't use this for all other loose collection cause they're pretty costly, rm39.90 each and fit only 9 cars (12 if maximize the space inside).

What's up all ma homebois! UCB is back yo! Okay i guess most new playaz here bit blur on what's goin on hehe, anyway this is undercoverbrother, one of appointed HWCM commitee member. Some members know me mainly for my 'huntings' and his trademarked 'spm exam standard essay length' posts, but treasure hunts anyway is just part of what i'm into, more about that when time's right to share my other collections here, also hauls other non-HW stuff especially McF. Familiar with forumin' scene since Play era, LY's hw thread and founding member of the other side of local toy forum, deep apologies for being m.i.a there for very long time, no me didn't quit or not bothered.. but forced to 'hibernate' just as how i often disappeared even here in hotwheels hehe.. soon when time is right (by that i mean when personal life is straightened up and finally returns to college) would want to be active in all forums involved and be cool with everyone, even if there's any playaz who might not be cool with me lol.. all i wish is to chill out and getting along with all collectors out there, not gonna scream for changes, political 'campaigning' and all sorts. Reason i came out with this, well this dedicated thread is sort of going to be my 'personal blog'.. yeah a blog within forum. Gonna be filled with lengthy posts, maybe pics, mainly on hotwheels and maybe some other stuff as well. Lotsa things i feel like sharing out with all the new hwcm'ers out there, and during my 'online hibernation' (you could hibernate from hauling hotwheels, or you could just hibernate online, or both) i actually came out with few writings that i will share here soon. Well knowing undercoverbrother = greens, maybe i would start with these t-hunts thingy.. t-hunt is definitely one controversial topic in hotwheels isn't it? Also whatever it is whether greens or not, any issues that might surface here in HWCM (we surely expect it will) i'll try to be as neutral as possible and share my thoughts or explain about it in positive way, i guess some playaz already aware of my writing style. If the HWCM core members are taking the bullets, well depending on what's going on i might not say "we are always right, you guys can get the hell out of here", but of course i can't be the good cop all the time, we need bad cop as well. Alright guys guess i'll stop here first. Until then, from my alter ego's catchphrase.. "Keep it smooth! Keep it international!"

Hi, sorry for the long delay.. have some stuff that i have to sort out and the logo design poll will be up on 1st feb instead. Thanks.

Hi, my apologies as the deadline is over and i should be bringing up a poll as of today (23rd) for you guys to vote from shortlisted logos but had to postpone again to either 24th or 25th. Will keep you guys posted when poll's ready.

oh terbalik ah.. nvm you guys work it out

wait you got th$ c6r loose? i'm expecting the tampo cond. shouldn't be that good but is it really bad? cause me interested with it

The 'fighthing' is only matter of how one view and act about it, if one takes it positively 'fighting over the hunts' can be a good thing. Refer to my reply in hwcm feedback thread my opinion if everything made by hotwheels all equal opportunity to get them.